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[+] Urban Baby is full of misinformation, vitriol and hostility. Yes, you can get a usef... 15 replies
- It wears off, the topics get rehashed even if they posters are new; nanny issues, vaccine issues, circumcision debate, in-law problems, cheating husband, etc. Once you've read them for a month, it's the same old stuff over and over again....
Talk : : November 03, 2009
Urban Baby is full of misinformation, vitriol and hostility. Yes, you can get a useful answer to a factual question (ie. to clean your high chair, put it in the shower), but someone just quoted UB on a schools issue to me. It happened to be something I know something about, and it was total bull. This isn't real life, ladies. Seriously.
15 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.03.09, 06:46 AM [ Flag ]It's great for passing the time, but when people start to rely on it for real decisions that matter to their families, I worry about their children's happiness and sometimes safety (like when people ask for medical advice here). (OP)
[ Reply | Options ]11.03.09, 06:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^Actually, it's not so good for passing the time anymore, truthfully. I'm here for the first time in months, checking out that post from which that woman got her information.
[ Reply | Options ]11.03.09, 06:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]It wears off, the topics get rehashed even if they posters are new; nanny issues, vaccine issues, circumcision debate, in-law problems, cheating husband, etc. Once you've read them for a month, it's the same old stuff over and over again.
[ Reply | Options ]11.03.09, 06:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ITA, that is disturbing. The most useful thing I have learned here is that I hope to move to the suburbs before I have to send my child to kindergarten and the web address for some good clothing sites. As well as some interesting recipe ideas for toddlers. Why you would make medical decisions based on something you read here is beyond me.
[ Reply | Options ]11.03.09, 06:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The kindergarten thing is overblown in the media and on UB. If you're still here, just treat it like any other important project, don't freak out, and you'll be fine.
[ Reply | Options ]11.03.09, 07:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ub is a place where strangers come and tell you how to raise children. the only thing less reliable is getting books by "experts" in the field. it's a place to waste time, and we have a common interest. that is about all.
[ Reply | Options ]11.03.09, 06:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]At least you can evaluate the credentials of the experts (not that I'm into those books either, I'm just saying they're not anonymous authors).
[ Reply | Options ]11.03.09, 06:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]true, but you can't really know their agendas or their perspective. best to (filter) information from family and friends.
[ Reply | Options ]11.03.09, 07:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Virtually nothing posted about DC's private ongoing school is correct. I am guessing it is posted by people who never even toured the school or completed an application. I used to try to post to correct the misinformation, but somehow I get flamed. Now I don't bother.
[ Reply | Options ]11.03.09, 07:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]why bother? at any rate, too much stuff here is "subjective" any way, so there's very little "correct" except for addresses.
[ Reply | Options ]11.03.09, 07:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR: I do not respond anymore because its always a losing battle, but it's sad that newbies applying to K get so much misinformation.
[ Reply | Options ]11.03.09, 07:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]which school?
[ Reply | Options ]11.03.09, 08:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]there is a grace troll who clearly doesn't know anything about the school.
[ Reply | Options ]11.03.09, 01:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that sort of comment is always made around here when someone disagrees
[ Reply | Options ]11.03.09, 01:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Discuss. For those who claim the circumcisi... 31 replies
- in Australia in 1950 was about 90%. "Routine" circumcision is now *banned* in public hospitals in Australia in...that the Australian doctors should not be experts in circumcision?...
- the hospital rate, most likely. Many jews and muslims circumcise in a religious ceremony after baby is released from...sheer size of jewish population in NYC where out-of-hospital circumcision is very common is enough to skew these...
Talk : : October 22, 2009
Discuss. http://nymag.com/health/features/60135/ For those who claim the circumcision rate is is still 80%, I am really not getting where you're getting your data-
31 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]10.22.09, 07:15 AM [ Flag ]in the ub vacuum, of course. welcome to the echo chamber
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 07:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I didn't click on this link - but I thought it was more like 50/50 in the US. Is that what the article says?
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 07:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]56% on 2006, and in coastal cities circumcision rates are even lower- I think it said 43% in new york city-
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 08:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]43% is the hospital rate, most likely. Many jews and muslims circumcise in a religious ceremony after baby is released from hospital. So, I would guess NYC rate is probably higher than the 43% reported rate.
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 01:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don 't think muslims circumcise in a religious ceremony outside the hospital.
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 02:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm not an expert, but I think it depends. Nevertheless, they also rarely circumcise at birth (traditional is at 7yrs old, but 7th day to puberty also happens) and so still may not be included in the statistics. In any case, the sheer size of jewish population in NYC where out-of-hospital circumcision is very common is enough to skew these stats.
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 02:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
the accompanying hannah rosin article is such terrible journalism!
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 08:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]all journalism is terrible nowadays.
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 08:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]but she quotes australian physicians when circumcisions are basically banned in Australia-
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 08:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Circumcision is not banned in Australia. It is not in favor, yes. That doesn't discredit the physicians, though. They know their stuff just as much as their US colleagues.
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 08:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Royal Australasian College of Physicians "After extensive review of the literature the Royal Australasian College of Physicians reaffirms that there is no medical indication for routine neonatal circumcision." (those last nine words are in bold on their website, and almost all the men responsible for this statement will be circumcised themselves, as the male circumcision rate in Australia in 1950 was about 90%. "Routine" circumcision is now *banned* in public hospitals in Australia in all states except one.)
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 08:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Is the text within parens a quote or from you? Even if it was banned why would you think that the Australian doctors should not be experts in circumcision?
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 09:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i thought it was pretty good, actually. she certainly addressed the issues that come up here over and over and she didn't come across as a ranting hysteric like most people on one side or the other do.
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 01:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/545756 filthy
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 08:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OMG, the man sucking the blood resulting from the cut and infecting the children with herpes? disgusting. what parent in their right mind would allow this to happen? Does this practice still go on?
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 11:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ooh, yuck. and sad, the infant that died.
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 12:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
my Ob says it's about 50/50 in NYC. There was a post here last week I think, consensus was 50/50 in NYC (except for those who deny #s are anywhere close to this.)
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 08:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I just don't understand why this practice isn't banned!
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 09:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]we didn't because we think it's barbaric. My dh is circed and he was adamant about not doing it.
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 09:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Obviously your not jewish
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 09:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]religion doesn't justify mutilation. religion is used as a justification for female circumcision as well.
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 11:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I would never do a surgery based on religious reasons. But to each his own.
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 11:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
in the last nhanes study that asked (which was about 1997, i think?) the circumcision prevalence was about 80%. next time that nhanes reports a new number, that will become the figure that is bandied about. national studies by the cdc often provide the info that you hear all of the time.
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 09:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I didn't circumcise my son and am even happier with the decision after reading this article.
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 12:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]good for you! A couple of my friends made me feel weird in 2008, saying my son would be in the minority (in nyc), looks like their chrildren are actually in the minority! Not that I care about that part of it, but just saying...
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 01:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^to clarify made me feel weird about my decision not to circ
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 01:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I know most of my friend's ds's are circumcised and my dh really wanted my son circumcised. But due to a medical issue at birth the doc told us to wait. Ended up convincing my dh not to do it later on.
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 01:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
funny, we circumcised and i felt like the article reaffirmed our choice. i guess this is one issue where you see what you want to see.
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 01:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]me too and I think it will definitely rise once again after the new data
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 02:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
for this generation of children it'll be common enough both ways that no one will feel weird
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 01:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]agree. i feel like it's a great big non-issue. do what you want and don't act like someone else is a barbarian for doing differently.
[ Reply | Options ]10.22.09, 01:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
The (Un)Kindest Cut?
... you thought it was safe to make a decision about circumcision, New York Magazine presents one of the most panoramic views ... imaginable. The piece starts with the basics: how is a circumcision performed ? Who is on the other end of the sharp ...? What complications can ensue ? And is it true that circumcision reduces the rates of both cancer and AIDS ? Finally..., and if you can view the surgical instruments of circumcision and not get a little faint, you're a ...Buzz : October 22, 2009
[+] Why is it that anytime a person mentions international adoption on this board, someon... 26 replies
- oh please. every topic on here has "misguided knee-jerk reactions". whether it's bf'ing, sahm'ing, circumcision, religion, weight, IVF, natural birth, inheritance, schools...
Talk : : October 20, 2009
Why is it that anytime a person mentions international adoption on this board, someone, without fail, has to pipe up and say "what's wrong with American babies?"!
26 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]10.20.09, 07:40 PM [ Flag ]the correct response is to ask them, if they feel so strongly, how many American babies they themselves have adopted. and leave it at that.
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 07:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]good answer
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 07:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not really; I don't want to adopt any children, US-born or foreign born. Since 'you' do want to adopt an infant/toddler, it's fair to wonder why Chicago-born racial minority kids are not on your radar, but Chaguguang-born racial minority kids are desired.
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ah, there you are again! Why on earth would you care?? If someone tells you they live on the upper west side would you demand to know why they don't live on the upper east side?
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well, I must ask, why aren't you adopting then? There are hundreds of Chicago-born racial minority kids waiting for to be adopted and you are doing nothing about that? Why not? Huh?
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]People like this are so self-righteous and feel they are making some sort of moral statement about race when in fact they know nothing about open vs. closed adoption as well as the myriad requirements and restrictions for adoptive parents in each country (including the U.S.)!
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]so why not answer them? i know very little about adoption and to me it seems like a really legitimate question.
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]why don't you do a little reading up on it then, instead of questioning someone's very personal choice? OR, just close your mouth? You can't pretend to be so concerned about American babies when you yourself are doing nothing. How can you tell someone who they should adopt? Do you also question the doctors they choose or fertility treatments they do or do not use, or spouse they pick?
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i do not want to read up on it. i do not want to adopt at the present time. i questioned it b/c you went and brought it up to me, not b/c i'm on a crusade about having american-born children adopted. the same way i commented on the poster who wants her mil's millions, even though i don't know her or her mil and don't care about her or her mil. i'm not telling you who to adopt or whether or not you should adopt. i merely said that if someone is asking the question adn it is obvious that they don't know the factors involved (e.g. costs, time, etc), then you are blowing a tremendous chance to publicize the information. instead you get all defensive (which is odd to me b/c it seems like there are very specific and legit reasons for your decision). And lastly, yes, when people post on here about doctors or dating or marital relationships, i do give my input or my questions if i'm in the mood to do so.
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^decision). and lastly, yes, i do give my opinions or advice about doctors or fertility treatments or dating or marital relationships if someone posts about it.
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Here's the thing. The posts are not generally "Should I do an international or domestic adoption?" If that's the post, and someone said, "definitely international", then your question would make sense. What I am talking about is when someone posts something about their planned or in-progress international adoption (NOT a question as to whether or not they should do it), and someone asks them why they are not pursuing a domestic adoption. There's a agenda there, for sure. It's not pure, innocent curiosity.
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i'm not denying that it's often an agenda-driven question. but it's one that's based on faulty info. i only know that domestic adoptions are much more expensive b/c i've asked that question myself on UB, assuming that the op is a do-gooder who needs to "save the world" and now i know. and paranthetically, i was just reading an article about how south korea is getting disgusted with the fact that they've become a baby exporter and they are thinking of tightening hte law about international adoption. anyone read something similar?
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
that's like reading a post that says "DH and I are going out for dinner" and responding with "Why did you marry that guy?? Why not the guy down the street?"
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no. it's saying "why are you such a spendthrift".
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np: do a search on UB or read up on it if you are truly curious and are not just out to antagonize. it's been explained ad nauseum.
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i agree. it's a fair question.
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Ask them to point you to the nearest American orphanage and watch them shut up quickly.
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Tell them it's a matter of cost. American adoptions are at least $20K more than intl, sadly.
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]honestly, i don't feel they are owed any explanation. just wonder why this topic in particular elicits that sort of reaction from people who have nothing to do with it. it's such a personal matter - why the misguided knee-jerk reaction?
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh please. every topic on here has "misguided knee-jerk reactions". whether it's bf'ing, sahm'ing, circumcision, religion, weight, IVF, natural birth, inheritance, schools... They all have it. the only ones you notice are the ones that push your buttons.
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]maybe so. I've been reading a lot of old posts on adoption on UB (researching both domestic and international, although after attending an agency info session we're leaning toward intnl) and nearly every one takes the same turn. At some point in every thread that same question is asked, over and over and over. I guess after reading about 20 or so threads of this, at first it was comical, then it became annoying... the broken record effect.
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]A good place to read for adoption stories with parents in all phases of adopting is www.ivfconnections.com. They have an adoption board. I lurk and rarely post, except to say congratulations when a poster is able to bring home their child.
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks! will definitely check that out.
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Because these women are douche bags. I ask in real life when some asshole says to my SIL who adopted internationally. I love the ones who respond with, they were able to have their own biological children. Then I ask, why do you feel it's so important to pass your genes along when their are so many American children in need of parents? Then they get huffy and offended, which was my point. I also shut down the ones who go on a litany of celebrities who adopted internationally, with my own litany of celebrities who adopted within the United States. I feel terrible that my SIL and her child have to put up with these skanks.
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]do people really say that to their faces? i can see that on the cowardly anonymous UB boards, but that is outrageous.
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Actually to her face and these people are suppose to be her friends.
[ Reply | Options ]10.20.09, 08:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I have 4 sons at Collegiate. Feel free to ask me questions. 105 replies
- circumcised or no?...
Talk : : October 15, 2009
I have 4 sons at Collegiate. Feel free to ask me questions.
105 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]10.15.09, 01:14 PM [ Flag ]ok-why do you think anyone cares?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I see a lot of false info. about the school and was hoping to dispel some rumors. In my experience, Collegiate was the most egalitarian of the TT schools - when my first started, the phrase TT was not even in our vocabulary.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]not true--the first class in year 1628--all thought they were TT
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Did they actually use the phrase top tier? It's one thing to think it. I can't see a bunch of Mayflower descendants using the over-used UB phrase top tier. Something sounds very modern and Noo Yawkish about the phrase top tier. And like all phrases and terms and figure of speech, they tend to come and go over the generations.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]hey knucklehead, I was kidding
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It made the dictionary in 1913, so it's highly doubtful it was a popular term in 1628.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]But it was probably a popular term by the 90s, when OPs kids were in school.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: Had kids who went to a TT in the 90s and rarely heard this term.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Where did you go? NBS, because this started in the 90s.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It may have started in the 90s but not many people were using the term. It seemed to have picked up steam around the time the so-called private pre-school wars started.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
How rich are you?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not as rich as you would think. 100% of my salary pays/paid for tuition.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]heck - you still make about 300K. Cry me a river
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I wasn't complaining, but we're not millionaires which is the usual assumption given 4 DCs in private.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oh, goodness. This is the poster who rails against New Yorkers who make "more than the rest of the country". Run, OP. Run!
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
where is collegiate?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm sure that you can google. If you are intent on thinking that I am lying, I would think that you would ask a more difficult question, no?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
how do you handle at that testosterone flowing around the house?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I like it! It was just my luck to be surrounded by handsome men. :)
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Is the Sib Policy a formality or do they interview/evaluate each child just like the first?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Each DS was interviewed and evaluated just like the first.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
did you ever wish you had girls?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
circumcised or no?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No - and we're Jewish
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]How do your sons feel about that? Were they ever teased?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sons are fine with it and they were never teased, that I know of.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thnx
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
which db was the hardest to adjust to?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]#3
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I don't believe you--I just flipped thru the directory and no one has 4 kids currently at Collegiate--is your goal to give out misinformation?!
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Cold busted!
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, I should have stated that I have had 4 sons at Collegiate. Currently, that is no longer the case, but it has been true.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i think it is hilarious that you took the time to flip through the directory from this post.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I did it because I was shocked that a family would have that many kijds there and I have one so it took my like 2 minutes, not a scientific study. But poeple put so much misinformation on UB for whatever reason it was a chance to confirm--I also could not believe someone would "out" themselves if it was factually true..but whatever I took the few minutes
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]What is there to "out"?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]UB is obviously anonymous..if OP really had 4 kids currently at C, it would be relatively easy to find out who she was..thats the outing, if she did not careabout the outing she could just sign her name in the post.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why would she sign her name? Totally unnecessary.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]are you not getting it--IF she really had 4 kids at C currently--anyone with a directory would know who she was and could identify her..so given that, if it was true she might as well sign her name....jeeze oo
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why don't you start your own post?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Run OP! You're about to be outed by a mean-spirited UBer. Lots of NAH's on this board.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Why so nasty, Detective Columbo? It's not going to stop people from posting misinformation about any school on UB.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]not nasty--but last week there were many "bad" and untrue post about C that it pissed me off. I know it shouldn't, but I am proud of the school and I hate when people put out misinfo--like any school there is bad stuff too but I hate when people pretend to be insiders and hate on the place
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
How many of your boys are gay?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't know.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I used to babysit for a family with 4 boys at Collegiate. That house was nuts! Cute boys though, all so different from eachother.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Was this in the mid-90s?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no- mid 80s. Guess there a few families. . .
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i have a 4 yo at collegiate! How old are your boys?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]a 4 y/o thats too young even for K
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I know you
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I guess I know you too!
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]me?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
What are the ages of your boys? Where are they now (schools/colleges)?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't want to identify them with their ages, but two are at Collegiate, 1 is at Andover and another at Dartmouth.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Nice!
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why did you switch one boy to Andover?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]He wanted to switch.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why? I guess he did not like it there?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 03:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]His father speaks rather romantically of his time in BS. DS wanted to try it.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 07:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i have to say, with kids at these schools, you are very wealthy.
[ Reply | Options ]10.16.09, 12:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
What have you liked? What have you disliked about Collegiate?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I liked the all-boys environment, very warm school. I disliked how the HS boys have changed, but overall the student body is very serious, warm, smart and open-minded.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Can I date your oldest boy? I am 22, very cute, intelligent with great personality.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 01:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, he needs to focus on school right now. ;)
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I can help him with his studies. I had 3.8 gpa
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Where do you go to school?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
What are you doing on UB with us old hags? LOL
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Must be a nanny.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]excuse moi.. I am a governess!
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL. I hear ya.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]but i will date you I am OP's DH--taking over the controls
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
How old are you? What's your HHI?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I am 41. HHI is $680K.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Had the first 2 sort of young? Me too.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sounds like all 4 were had very young. First at 23 and last at 37 at the latest.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Marry someone older?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]wow -- definitely not as high as i would have thought will all those tuitions to pay! do you have wealthy parents?
[ Reply | Options ]10.16.09, 12:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
What % of kids that started in K get counseled out?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't know. I think that it's quite rare because I have not heard of it unless there were behavioral problems.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]So maybe 2, possibly 3 kids in 16 years with the school.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I think this must be fake for 2 reasons: 1. You outed yourself (there can't be many families with 4 sons who all went through Collegiate, with one now at Andover and one at Dartmouth) and 2. You also posted your HHI. Sorry, I think that's weird to do, or fake.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I know of 6 families with DSs at Andover who started at Collegiate in just the past 4 years. 76 boys have gone to Dartmouth from Collegiate since 1999. I think I know who OP is, but she could be one of 5 families right now.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 02:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]There are 5 families, each with 4 sons, of which 2 are at Collegiate, 1 is at Dartmouth and one is at Andover right now??? Somehow I highly doubt that. Oh, and the mom is also 41. I'm sure it's unusual enough to have 4 sons going through Collegiate, but the information is way too specific.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 03:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not all of us started having kids in her 40s. OP started in her 20s.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 03:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes
[ Reply | Options ]10.16.09, 01:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Who cares?
[ Reply | Options ]10.21.09, 01:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Collegiate vs Trinity?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 06:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Collegiate b/c I firmly believe in SS education.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 07:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: Why? You don;t think boys and girls learn best together and from each other? What do C boys think of girls, when they don't learn with and near and from them on a daily basis?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 07:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Most C boys are involved in co-ed extracurriculars. My boys went to camp and socialized with girls there, in addition to their after school activities. And no, I don't think boys and girls learn best together. I have found the opposite to be true, I think boys and girls blossom in SS settings. I wish that there were SS options in the public schools, other than those two schools in Brklyn.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 07:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Isn't Andover coed?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 11:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
If you had had girls, would you still have chosen C for your boys? If so, what would be FC for girls?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 06:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes. B would have been my first choice, although, I do not have great experience in girls schools considering that I have only boys.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 07:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Have you seen my keys?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 06:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: I think we lost her.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 07:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes, they are underneath the 3rd cushion of your couch.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 07:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
If this is true, I think you've just revealed yourself to the Collegiate community. I'm sure there aren't that many families who have 4 sons at the school.
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 09:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]So what. That's her problem, not yours right?
[ Reply | Options ]10.15.09, 09:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I have only one son at Collegiate and my friends know it is me posting much of them because usually I post things that I would say in real life. I have also noticed firends on here although I usually don't say anything (except that one time when friend who has similar profile to my family was posting something that sounded so much like me I was afraid psd would think it was me!). When people do not want to be outed they just change a few insignificant facts. Move on.
[ Reply | Options ]10.16.09, 08:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: Thank you. And I don't understand why people want to out me so badly. I was here to offer insight into the school since so many find it to be mysterious. Guess no one actually cares, except one woman.
[ Reply | Options ]10.16.09, 12:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I care, I asked about why SS. I admit I'm torn. But have a feeling that Collegiate's strengths may overcome that. But I worry that even if SS learning can be good, I worry that it's wrong.
[ Reply | Options ]10.16.09, 01:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm another C mom, with boys who came into the school for middle & high school from co-ed environments. LOVE ss environment for them. Really brings out their strengths and allows them to try things in school they might otherwise write off as girly.
[ Reply | Options ]10.16.09, 01:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]TY, that rationale is interesting. Wd you have still chosen it it if you had one ds and one dd though? Or tried to have them at one school?
[ Reply | Options ]10.16.09, 01:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I have a question. I've got twin boys applying to Collegiate this year. Do I have any chance of getting them both in? What can I do to help my chances? We love Collegiate.
[ Reply | Options ]10.28.09, 07:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Poll: Are your NYS DS circumcized or not? Worried my beautiful intact DS will be os... 151 replies
- that's a good argument for circumcision right there...is much different than the original statement that "circumcision protects against HIV"...
- the risk or because condoms aren't available. Circumcision does protect against HIV--though not completely, and not...brag about your parties makes your opinion on circumcision superior? blech....
Talk : : October 13, 2009
Poll: Are your NYS DS circumcized or not? Worried my beautiful intact DS will be ostracized when he gets to high school.
151 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]10.13.09, 12:18 PM [ Flag ]cutg
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]cut
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]My ds is in HS, and is not cut. I do not think they sit around comparing p** to be honest. He has never mentioned that anyway.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Good. Work friend just said how her friend growing up was laughed at in HS and couldn't get a date because he was uncut. Made me nervous....
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think there is less of a jock culture in high schools now, and more gay paranoia. Also, as my son's high school does not even have a gym, there is not much opportunity to sit around naked in a locker room, flicking towels at each other. Those days belong to another era. However, if you get cut, and go live in Europe, your girlfriends might think something is wrong!
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: That's a large part of why I didn't get DS cut. DH is from the UK so if we ever moved back there I didn't want DS to be the only circ'ed boy.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]There you go then! DH is from the UK too, and it is definitely unusual to be circ there.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]my dh is british too. I would have cut if i had a boy. i am jewish though so never another thought. The jews in london cut too
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]actually my obgyn said his jewish nephews in france aren't cut
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 03:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]she said jews in london, not france. learn to read.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 07:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks for your kind words. have you heard of an analogy?
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 09:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Jews in France are circumcised too.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 11:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Mine are both cut but I'm pretty sure that this is not a big issue for the teen guys, cut or not.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 09:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Yes, circumcised. I had one bf in college who was not. It seems like it is still pretty rare, but he never mentioned any ostracizing!
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]rare in your circles; never met a circ. man (thus making them rare in my circles)
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Circumcision is by far the most common option in the US (about 80% of males were circumcised as of the last NHANES survey). Opting out is definitely not so rare that it would put a boy at risk of teasing, though. At least it doesn't seem like it would work that way!
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]its common but getting less so -- currently i think about half of US baby boys are circ'd. it does vary a lot regionally, among other things, but i doubt OP's child will be the only one, or even one of only a few.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think it is approaching 50/50
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 05:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I have never met one either!
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: How would you possibly know whether the men you have met are circumcised or not, unless you checked all of their pants?
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i meant "met" in the biblical sense.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ahhh ;)
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]We should say 'known' men, I guess. That is the tech term...
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol. like anything in the bible is technical.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
uncircumcised. he'll enjoy sex more that way.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]how the f would you know?
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]men who are circumsised have few nerve endings 'there' . thats how i know.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]DH here. OR is right. Sex before my circ was different and considerably better somehow.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 05:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
they both will
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no. men who are uncircumcised have less feeling at the end of the their p*****
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]right, therefore they will have more "lasting power" and both partners will enjoy it more.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I suppose that the woman might enjoy it more but I not sure he will
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]he does.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]why not decrease sensitivity further then and also use a condom. Short and sweet , better than long and boring.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yuck
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]unless he's in a committed relationship and he and his partner have been tested for STDs, he'd better be wearing a condom.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
that's a good argument for circumcision right there...right up there with diminishing female pleasure through female "circumcision" so girls/women won't have any incentive to be sexual.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]except that female circumcision prevents a dd from orgasming. male circumcision doesn't.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
really, do they need to enjoy it any more than they already do?? I would LOVE to be able to orgasm every freaking single time I had sex!
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 06:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
cut (although I voted no, but dh won)
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]not
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: My DS is only 5. Does it become an issue later on?
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]maybe if different from his dad. Otherwise no I think, as much as 50/50% in NYC now.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]not a chance - where did you make up this figure- certainly not in nyc. East coast has the highest level of circumcisions.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]from my OB. He would know
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]doubt it and I think he is very wrong. find me stats not an ob with an agenda
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]excuse me, he is a scientist. Who also does the 'cutting'. Plus there are like three other people here who corroborate this.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]scientist? medicine is at best an art.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]excuse me, it is considered a science regardless of what you think.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
and ub is such a honest source of info - nobody has an agenda
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh and I also think it will rise once again now that the new study came out. many changed their minds who were set against cutting. It will swing back
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
http://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/bollinger2003/ This is not just for NYC but you may be surprised. Goes only to 2001
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]nyc would have more not less. That is the point.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]just becasue nyc has jews doesn't eman itwould ahve more. the fact that it is an international city, and asians, latinos, and europeans dont' typcially circumsize would actually mean nyc wiould have less. teh jews make up SUCH a small % of the nyc population.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]muslims circumcise as well.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I don't think so, large immigrant population
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
not
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]pediatrician said nyc boys are 50/50
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Same here in most parts of CA.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 04:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i heard it's about half and half now. my son is circumcised, but enough people implored me not to do it (inappropriately) that it seems there are a lot of people who choose not to go that way.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]why dont all you women who advocate this mutilation of young boys genitals get yourselves circumsized (without painkillers too) and see how you like it.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i got my ears pierced at a young age instead.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I hardly think that is fair. There are pros and cons for each option. Circumcision protects against HIV, which is one pro. It is not a mutilation intended to decrease their sexual pleasure, as in female circumcision.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]is there really solid science on that?
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yup, this link describes the international clinical trials that demonstrated significant decreases in HIV transmission: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]AMONG MALES IN AFRICA.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do you really think they are physiologically different than males in the US?
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you don't see any other differences? HIV is prevalent in certain subgroups in US, not widely in population.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: you can really only do these types of studies in populations where HIV is very common. otherwise you don't have enough power to detect any effects. for that reason, we are kind of stuck with studies done in non-US pops.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 12:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
My pediatrician believes that the findings of that study can not appropriate be applied to children in NYC
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 05:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
it does NOT protect against HIV. Circumsized or not you need a condom.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well definitely 100% and nobody should use it in lieu of a condom! But it does decrease your chances of becoming infected. Link describing the clinical trials above.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^should be NOT 100% sorry!
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i still don't think there's enough data on that. np here.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]What more would you like to see? Of course there can always be more and better studies. But virtually everybody seems satisfied that these studies demonstrated a statistical decrease in HIV transmission. What aspect of these multiple studies were you concerned about? Not flaming, really curious. I think there are, of course, risks associated with circumcision too. But the effect of circumcision upon HIV transmission has been demonstrated to my satisfaction!
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
The point is, even if your risk of transmitting HIV is lower it doesn't matter because all men need to use a condom. We need to be careful with wording on an issue as important as HIV transmission. Decreasing chances of becoming infected is much different than the original statement that "circumcision protects against HIV"
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sigh. All men DON'T use a condom every time. So circumcision provide a backup means of decreasing the risk of transmission. Refusing to talk about other methods of decreasing risk is like relying on abstinence only. Clearly, it just doesn't always work, and it's not just because men don't understand the risk or because condoms aren't available. Circumcision does protect against HIV--though not completely, and not as well as condoms *when* they are used. Once the failure to use them is incorporated into the risk, condoms are not a wonderful way to prevent transmission either. Many public health officials have been arguing in favor of reducing partner numbers instead.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]if teenagers hear the circumcision protects against HIV they'll be less likely to worry about it. It doesn't protect against it, it lessens the risk of transmision.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: that's semantics, and i understand your point, but you are also using the words incorrectly. something that lessens the risk of transmission also protects against the disease. sponges lessen the risk of pregnancy and also protect against it (even though they are not a great method of birth control). of course we should be careful about how we present these things, but you can't change the meaning of words either.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
yes (DH felt strongly), but I think it is SO common to be uncut now. don't give it a second thought.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]As an uncut male I can tell you it did not make a difference with girls of any religion I dated
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]How old are you? Do you have any idea what the % of uncut males of your age group? Is it changing (increasing)?
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]in my late 30s. It has never been a conversation topic :). So I don't know the trend...but it has never been an issue and I've dated women of different religions and ethnic backgrounds
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Good, thanks. I'm in my 40s and it seemed like a much rarer thing in my day.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np - what was rarer? i'm in my 40s and (as above) have never known a circ'd man.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Find something worth worrying about. (Try global warming.) Boys do not group themselves socially based on foreskin possession.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]some do.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Global warming is bullshit.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 04:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It must be tough to be you.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 04:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]so the polar ice caps aren't actually melting before our eyes?...that's good to know
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 12:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
cut
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Okay people, "penis" is not a swear word or obscenity. You can type it out the whole word. Really!
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 12:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i'm not prudish, just not certain of the rules on this site.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
my research indicated that currently only about 2/3 of boys are circumcised in the US. I don't think that makes my uncirc'd son stand out. Even if uncirc'd were more like 1 in 4, still not "odd"-
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well, of course he'll be made fun of. Especially in the "show me your winkie" class and when all the boys run around naked in the locker room. Come on. Be serious. If it's that big of a deal to your "in tact" son, he can be circ'd as a teen.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]He is, but if it had been entirely up to me, he probably wouldn't have been.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]IN any case, whatever the correct stats, your ds won't be uncommon.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 01:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]My DS is not circumcised. If it's a big deal and he wants to get himself mutilated when he's older, that's his decision.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 02:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]not cut. i wouldn't circumsise my daughter either.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 03:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]guess what =it's not the same thing. Guys still orgasm but you know that
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 03:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]exactly. it's such a tired and misguided argument to compare the two. which are in no way comparable.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 03:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ew. beautiful, intact ds? pedophile mom, is that you?
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 03:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]not
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 04:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Cut, and glad we had it done.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 04:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ditto. i'm really not fretting about ds's penile nerve endings or whether he'll enjoy sex as fully as possible.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 04:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
uncirc, age 7
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 05:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do they mention this on the ERB report
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 05:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL!
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 05:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no it's on the olsat and can be prepped for
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 04:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]circ mentioned on report is the code word for prepping, per my PSD
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 06:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]kids are growing up just so fast these days
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 07:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
mine is cir'd.
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 07:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]not cut. DH is circ'd and almost everyone else we know (to the extent that we know). But so far, it hasn't come up. (DC is 5.)
[ Reply | Options ]10.13.09, 07:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ethnically Jewish and not cut.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 05:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not cut. DH is, but his parents didn't know better ;)
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 05:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]We did not do it--our pediatrician does not recommend it. At this point your ds will be in the slight minority, unless he goes to high school with mostly Muslims and Jews (or I should say observant Jews--we're Jewish, but not religious.)
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 05:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
not circumcised. Our family does not practice genital mutilation, on males or females. Nor do we go to parties based on genital mutilation.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 06:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i bet you don't go to parties period. who on earth would invite such a$$holes?
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 06:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]If I'm an asshole for not chopping off the head of my sons penis, then I'm happily an asshole. And yes, this asshole has money. How astute of you to realize that someone who has evolved past the point of blindly following an outrageous, outdated societal norm would be educated and subsequently rich. BTW-I'm one of those people who threw the parties to which you wish you were invited.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 06:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]chopping the head of his penis off? are you that stupid?
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 06:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]hey, but she's rich and throws swell parties, so who cares if she gets a few facts wrong?
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 06:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you're right....
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 06:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np. you're just digging yourself a bigger "hole" imo. the fact that you have money and brag about your parties makes your opinion on circumcision superior? blech.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 06:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]nah, I don't have that much money. I just thought the $$ signs for "ss" was stupid. I did, however, throw the ultimate parties. I do think that circumcision is a form of mutilation and I will not attend a Bris. I think a party based on this act is barbaric. I also don't believe in cutting off a dog's tail and ears. Pretty insane. All this being said, I don't hold it against other parents who choose to circumcise.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 06:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol. right. you don't hold it against parents who mutilate their own dcs. pick a lane, sweetie.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 06:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't, sunshine ;) I think it's very hard for people to break a deeply routed tradition, even if it no longer makes sense. I also do think that it is mutilation and I would never do that to my child. It is possible to have a strong opinion without passing judgment.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 07:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]rooted. not routed. and you already have passed judgment.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 07:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks for the spell check. it's good to have people like you around for that.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 07:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]maybe you should try it yourself before you post. then people might actually take you seriously.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 07:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
My Catholic college friend, with whom I stayed in contact through the birth of her children, said when I asked if her son was going to be circumcised "God put what is there for a reason and there's no need to tamper with it".
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 06:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]what's your point? if your friend had been jewish this might have been worth posting.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 07:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
NO. ds is only 7 and they DO compare out of curiosity. DH is not either though and it makes more since for him to be like his dad. He is not American and we don't know if we will live here on in Europe for the long-haul though and most there are not - so similar thought -don't want ds to be "weird." dh felt VERY strongly though and I wouldn't have been able to convince him otherwise.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 06:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]p.s. I am Jewish. also had to find a new, non-Jewish dr. when ds was an infant though because of the nasty comments about it from her!
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 06:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Not: Euro dh, and it was his call.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 06:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]mine too. cultural tradition is for sons to have whatever the father has.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 07:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Both boys are circumcised.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 07:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]our ds is not cut. (DH is, though) since we're not jewish, felt there was no reason to circumcize him (as our doc told us, too). DS is 5 and he did tell me last year that a boy (who happens to be jewish)in his class had asked why DS's penis was different. I have no idea how the other boy saw my ds' penis, etc. I just told DS, well...yours is the way it was when you were born.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 07:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Cut. ExDH from UK, was uncut until 13 when he got a massive infection and had to be circ'd under General anesthesia. Was very traumatic for him and insisted son be circ'd also. I deferred to him but sometimes I regret, I guess.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 09:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I have two sons, uncut, both college-age and they get pussy all the time, to be crass and crude about it. I'd like to be in denial about their sex lives and want to remember the little boys who would ask me to fast forward past the scary part where Mufasa gets killed in The Lion King. But their are red-blooded males and are all about girls, girls, girls, girls I do adore...to quote Jay-Z. Honestly I would not worry about unless it were a health issue or DH was really insistent. (I'll let the dad take the lead on this one.) Unless a guy is a total dungeons and dragons social moron, most guys, straight or gay, find a way to get laid and laid often.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 09:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not. My husband and I aren't Jewish and I think that circumcision is a fad that's had it's time. Why perform an unneccessary operation if it has no deep meaning?
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 11:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]we're circumcising our son. i think it's helthier/cleaner -- and frankly, uncircumcised penises aren't attractive.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 11:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Two boys here, not circumcised. Neither is DH. The turth is that penises look exactly the same erect whether they are circumcised or not... which is how most women see them anyway! :) I really doubt that boys tease each other about this? I'd say that in my circles it runs 50/50 anyway. I think fewer and fewer people are choosing to do this except for religious reasons?
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 12:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Definitely circumcise. It's cleaner. For anyone who has had their nose close to an uncircumcised one, you know the difference. All that cheese in there - yuck yuck yuck.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 12:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Just sleep with guys who clean their genitalia. And guys, sleep with girls who keep clean too.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 12:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I agree. Who are these men and women who don't know how to probably clean themselves? Also who are all these women who are acting like flowers are coming out of their pussy and uncut men are knuckle-scrapping slobs?
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 12:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I have this image of above poster going around sniffing men.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 12:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
the only guys who clean under their foreskins are gay.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 12:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Gay Uncle again. The whole world is gay. We know.
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 01:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
are
[ Reply | Options ]10.14.09, 12:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] What does UB-universe favor more? 89 replies
- What's the matter with you? Defering circumcision on the grounds that DB knows best seems crazy to me. It's a minor procedure for an infant; not so...
- Not at all. Most men do not need a circumcision ever. He will grow up happily with his dick intact....
Talk : : September 28, 2009
What does UB-universe favor more?
89 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]09.28.09, 01:16 PM [ Flag ]SAHM vs WOHM
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]This doesn't seem like a choice in the same way as the others.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]SAHM are way more favored on UB.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]As a SAHM, it doesn't seem that way to me.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Really? LOL as a WOHM I feel like we're constantly flamed.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I agree.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
SAHM's favored; or PT; not FT WOHM's.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 07:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I hate this topic.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't get this whole fight. How many women nowadays SAH forever? Isn't the choice WOHM or SAHM till youngest is in K?
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 04:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Plenty. There was even a poster who wanted to SAH while TTC.
[ Reply | Options ]09.29.09, 05:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Daycare vs. Nanny
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Nanny
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]daycare
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]daycare
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]daycare, even though the majority of posters have a nanny. daycare is idealized on this board IMO.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ita
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Spanking vs No Spanking
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]People still spank?
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]at least one of us does.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]heck yeah
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]children or husbands?
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]in my house, children. not husbands.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]in my house, it's the husband. ;-)
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 05:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I do. The do like how the media is touting the new "research" that proves that it's bad to spank a 1-year old. duh.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 02:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I do - our dc (and occasionally dh gives me a little swat :)
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I am pro-spanking, but along the vein of UB letting kids run their lives, UB tends to be anti-spank.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]DEFINITELY no spanking.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 07:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]To your question: the current spanking post has about 50% FOR and 50% AGAINST. time will tell....(or people will start posting multiple times.)
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 07:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Vax vs No Vax
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Vax
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]what is Vax?
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Vaccinations
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks
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No Vax
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 05:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]UB favors vax definitely.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 07:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
private v. public v. GT
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Your child knocks over someone in the playground: Make him apologize vs Let kids play
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh yeah. good one.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]If the knocked over kid is younger or other kid seems hurt or upset, make DC apologize. Otherwise let them play.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Unfortunately, UB seems to favor let kids play. Hence why this generation of kids have no manners.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]their parents are rude too.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Let kids play. If your child sees you apologize in life, they will eventually get it. See NO point in a forced apology.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]So your child should never have to apologize? It's not up to the parents to instill manners?
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Of course parents teach their dc manners. I believe the best way is by example. When my children see me accidentally bump into someone and apologize for example. If my dc accidentally bumps into another child in the playground I am not going to go over, collect the two and force my dc to say the words "I'm sorry" (when child is simply not at that moment sorry). I very well may discuss it on the way home and say - why didn't you apologize when you and xx ran into each other? If dc says, it was an accident, I didn't do anything wrong - I'll explain that you can say you are sorry without admitting guilt (which btw is a biggie at certain ages). I will do this as many times as necessary. I will never force my child to say I'm sorry. I actually find that practice silly. Who wants an apology that isn't heartfelt, quiet the opposite is forced upon you? Why? To what end? If you believe that is the only way to raise polite children, we'll have to agree to disagree.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Are you seriously this afraid of your children that you won't force them to do anything? As a parent, it is your job to force them to do things they don't want to do. Why do people let their DCs run their lives?
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do you want to argue or converse? I'm not into arguing. I do not fear my children. I'm a great parent - I just do things a little different than you do. Apologies, judging, assuming... you get the idea.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 02:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np Your kids run the show. I'm certain of that.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 02:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I think its my job to work myself out of a job. To put adults out there who make the right decisions on their own.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 02:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I bet she's into negociating with her DCs as well.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 02:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np: i agree with this. unless they trully understand what an apology is why force it?
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 04:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Stay away from my playground.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OK, which one do you own?
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
what about being fair to the other kid, so he does not think that your dc has a right to knock over him?
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 03:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]For the Love of God - accidents happen.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 04:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
This response assumes your dc knocks the other dc over by accident. What if your dc intentionally knocks over another dc, then would intervene and enforce consequences?
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 07:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
*I* think you should make them apolgize, but UBers - who tend to let their kids run their lives - think otherwise.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think parents are too involved in the playground.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 02:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Jenny/Why did you have kids/Raise your own children: Right or wrong?
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Wrong, of course. FWIW I think it's only a couple of idiots that's trolling for comments like these.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Your child makes a mess in someone else home: That's just the way kids are vs. You have to turn it into a lesson and have him/her help clean up
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Again, I think UB tends to favor let it be. I could never get away with making a mess in someone else's home.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Always offer to clean up - but at my house, I will decline the offer.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: i think you and perhaps others responding are missing the point of the OP. it is not asking for any one person's individual newly expressed opinion on these issues. OP is asking what we believe the general majority opinion is.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 07:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
C section vs vaginal birth
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]vaginal birth
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GrannyMom vs. ChildMom
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Circ vs no-circ
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]the owner gets to decide
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 01:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Your DB doesn't get to decide whether he drinks breast milk or bottle milk, whether he uses cloth or disposable diapers, etc. Be a grown up and make the best choices for your kid.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 02:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]What is the matter with you?
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 02:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]What's the matter with you? Defering circumcision on the grounds that DB knows best seems crazy to me. It's a minor procedure for an infant; not so for an adult or even a toddler. Do your research and decide what you think is best for your kid.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 02:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]why do you always assume that if someone has an opinion that differs from yours they have not "done their research"?
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 02:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Anyone who says "owner gets to decide" has not done her research. She's waiting for her child to do his research. And that's a cop out.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 02:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not at all. Most men do not need a circumcision ever. He will grow up happily with his dick intact.
[ Reply | Options ]09.29.09, 05:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]My foreskin was removed when I was an infant. I have always been happy with my dick. Hell, at times, it was my best friend.
[ Reply | Options ]09.29.09, 05:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The removal of a man's foreskin is a medical necessity in only a very, very small number of cases.
[ Reply | Options ]09.29.09, 06:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
can't respond directly to you for some reason - but you are simply incorrect. I spend as much time if not more reasearching as you did. And I came to the conclusion - that science may very well have different opinion/knowledge when my ds came of age and was beginning to use his penis sexually - and then he could look at the current research and decide for himself what he wanted to do with his penis. Don't see why you have your panite in a wad. Not challengig your decision (whatever that may be). My dad was circ'd as an adult. I most likely know the drill better than you do. I also know the medical profession - xrays were not harmful, drugs the mother took didn't x the placenta and on and on and on. Gotta run. Have a nice day.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 02:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
NP: does it really sound crazy to you for a man to get the choice? I don't really care what any other person does with their penis or the ds penis - but I totally understand the thought that a man can decide for himself if the choice isn't made for him at birth.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 02:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I posted above. My parents decided for me and had me circ'ed. I have never felt violated. I also (contrary to what most UBers seem to believe) can't tell you which of the guys from high school football or lacrosse were/weren't circ'ed.
[ Reply | Options ]09.29.09, 06:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
who ARE you?
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 02:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Who are you?
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 02:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
this is not the majority UB opinion. you seem to be responding with your personal and intentionally inflammatory replies to these topics. this was not meant to be an opportunity for the outliers to be attention whores on a variety of issues. the op was what does "UB-universe favor more?" NOT what is your personal opinion. You should stop responding to the questions altogether since you feel the need to monopolize. I know you'll find this hard to accept, but this post was not about YOU.
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 07:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: Thanks!
[ Reply | Options ]09.29.09, 06:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
these responses really threw me as i read that to mean that the parents get to decide & it's no one else's business (i realize that could apply to each of these topics also)
[ Reply | Options ]09.29.09, 09:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I think the majority of UB says no circ (but will exempt ritual circ.)
[ Reply | Options ]09.29.09, 05:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
BF vs FF
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 04:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]bf
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Hospital vs Home Birth
[ Reply | Options ]09.28.09, 04:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]hospital
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[+] What did you give DB for his/her first birthday? 24 replies
- same reason they circumcise...
Talk : : September 24, 2009
What did you give DB for his/her first birthday?
24 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]09.24.09, 12:26 PM [ Flag ]a party.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 12:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Cake and a party, the cake was a huge hit, oh and a balloon to play with.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
little people garage - it was a huge hit. Just got rid of it 4 yrs later - though eventually it was just used for hot wheels.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Nothing. We went to the Met and had a picnic in the park. A great day. Really.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
We didn't give him a gift. He had plenty from relatives. I took him for his first haircut and got him a balloon. Then family party the next day.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OK, good. I was feeling guilty because I gave all my best gift ideas to relatives and now I have nothing to "give" him, except for a donation to his 529.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Started a college fund.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]a Wii & an iphone
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]birthstone earrings
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]why, oh why do people pierce baby's ears?
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]same reason they circumcise
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]good answer.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]That's what I was going to say - jinx!
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
because they want to. but i'm just guessing here.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR: family tradition. also babies ears don't get infected like little grubby school kids do when you finally let them get it done after begging since age 5.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I bought birthstone earrings when #1 turned 3 (ears NOT pierced and won't be until she's at least 10). I'll let her wear them when she's a teen. I always buy my girls jewelry and write down in the journals I keep for them.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 02:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
some ice cream.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]nothing
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]unless you think flouride is toxic. i personally never used flouidated water for my dd. read about it.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh my =besides that you posted on the wrong thread
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]UB glitch. was in formula thread. showed up on here
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Food and shelter for another year.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 01:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 02:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Thanks, everyone. I was feeling really guilty for not giving me a real gift.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.09, 02:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] My DH was giving me so much grief about not wanting to have our baby circumcised. He ... 118 replies
- I had a boyfriend whose circumcised penis was often gross...
- appendicitis because the procedure might be yucky. Of course, circumcision is elective....
- np: some circumcisions are unnecessary. My #2 son was circ'ed...everything. Fact is, though, that the majority of circumcisions are not medical necessary. Such a large percentage...
Talk : : September 19, 2009
My DH was giving me so much grief about not wanting to have our baby circumcised. He finally agreed to watch a circumcision on YouTube. I can't believe I'd ever be grateful to YouTube.
118 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]09.19.09, 08:28 PM [ Flag ]that is quite funny!
[ Reply | Options ]09.19.09, 08:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]uncircumcised is gross.
[ Reply | Options ]09.19.09, 08:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ita
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Neither of you have any idea what you're talking about.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 08:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
How old are you?
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 05:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
You know, it's surgery and of course surgery is gross. Not sure why that would change your mind, though.
[ Reply | Options ]09.19.09, 08:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Have him watch a c-section. See what he says then.
[ Reply | Options ]09.19.09, 08:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Hmmm...I had a boyfriend whose circumcised penis was often gross
[ Reply | Options ]09.19.09, 08:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Circumcision is not a medical necessity. Besides, if my OBGYN applied his mouth to suck my bleeding c-section during surgery after saving the life of my child, my DH just might change his mind. Cheers to tradition.
[ Reply | Options ]09.19.09, 09:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]um, whose ob/gyn (who performed our dc's circumcision) applies his or her mouth to dc's genitals?
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do they teach this in med school or just prison?
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
NP I am can see pros and cons to circumcision for a bunch of reasons (health, religion, cultural) but when a MD does the procedure in the hospital within a few days after birth I assure you no one is USING THEIR MOUTH on your child's penis. That is an old REVOLTING custom performed by some (but hopefully not most) mohels. You are insane.
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 10:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
plus youtube videos are total propaganda. same as thosesigns of aborted fetuses wingnuts carry on the street.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Maybe he should refuse surgery for appendicitis because the procedure might be yucky. Of course, circumcision is elective.
[ Reply | Options ]09.19.09, 08:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Elective for whom? The recipient of the procedure?
[ Reply | Options ]09.19.09, 09:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]How about having eye teeth removed before braces are put on so the kids smile looks nice. Or a nose job for a 16 year old girl?
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 04:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Neither religion nor culture can ever justify painfully and permanently cutting off sensitive, healthy,? functioning, erogenous genital tissue from someone else's body. Both religion and culture have been used to justify the most sick, painful, and twisted practices the earth has ever known. Religion must be a personal choice someone makes for themselves. Circumcision is unnecessary, and incredibly damaging.
[ Reply | Options ]09.19.09, 09:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]there are health reasons toos
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 06:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Your specificity is astounding.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 08:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np: some circumcisions are unnecessary. My #2 son was circ'ed at 6 mo. It was medically indicated and considering how close he came to dying from a UTI (and other complications stemming from same) I'll challenge anyone who speaks in absolutes about this.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 09:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]There are always medical exceptions for everything. Fact is, though, that the majority of circumcisions are not medical necessary. Such a large percentage can be seen as an absolute.
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 05:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np again: only if you change what absolute means.
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 09:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
My sister's DS was not circumcised at birth as is the general convention in England... he developed a situation (infection or something) where it became necessary around age 5. MUCH worse trauma for her DS requiring a hospital stay, general anaesthesia, DS hooked up to a catheter for days after surgery etc etc. After it was all said and done, my sis and BIL said that if they should ever have another son, they would DEFINITELY have him circumcised at birth. My own son had his done a day after birth... nurse took him to have the procedure done, brought him back less than 10 mins later, DS cried for about 2 mins but stopped as soon as he was fed. Haven't given it two thoughts since. FWIW, have had an uncircumcised ex-boyfriend that I too thought he had the ugliest turtlenecked penis I'd ever seen... ick.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 07:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I always find it intersting that people say it was far more traumatic for older child. Why? Because they can tell you. If someone wanted to cut off a body part of mine, I think I would PREFER anesthesia. Whacking it off without seems barbaric to me.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 07:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I base my impression that it was more traumatic for my nephew by the fact that it took 1 hr or surgery, 2 days of hospitalization, 5 days on a catheter and over a week to recover from circumcision as a 5 yr old. As a 1 day old, my son required something less than 10 mins in surgery and 2 mins of "recovery" before it became a non-issue.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 10:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]My dad was circd as an adult by choice and there was no hospitalization. Maybe your nephews problems and prolonged hospital stay had more to do with the reason he was circd as a five year old (the problems you refer to)than the circ itself.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 03:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]But your nephew's case was not typical. A routing adult circumcision does not require a hospital stay. Nor does it have to be full anaesthesia etc. etc. It looks like your nephew had complications. SHit happens but it sure is not the norm.
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 05:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I grew up in Scandiavia and this is not a common situation. There is a lot of handsome men & penises there : ) But if you want to circumcise your newborn, the it is up to you. I would never personally do it. But it is your child and your choice.
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 08:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Your poor kid.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 10:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Moron.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 08:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Good for you. My DS is circumcised and #2 will be circumcised right after he is born next year. To each his own.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 03:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm stunned UB is so pro-circumcision. Genital mutilation based on superstition anyone?
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 04:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No just preference.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 04:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You prefer to mutilate genitals?
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 08:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yup, that's right. And my ability to act on that preference is protected by law. What's it to you? Seriously, why do you care?
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 08:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why do I care about children having their genitals mutilated?
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 09:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
not anymore
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 04:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you aren't stunned in the least
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 04:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I am too stunned! I am relatively new. Not that I ever thought I fit in here.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Why the fuck do you care? Were not trying to "mutilate" your kid.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 04:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Maybe she cares about other people's kids? No wait, that would be insane.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 08:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't care what she thinks about my kid.
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 08:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You should withdraw from society entirely. I've heard that caves are nice.
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 08:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]That's an interesting suggestion, but no thanks.
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 09:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
based on evidence of lowered rates of hiv. among other things. cheese dick being another.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]That evidence is paper thin and mostly hawked by advocacy groups. You're snipping 30-40% of the erogenous tissue off. Maybe if you had a dick you'd appreciate the significance of that.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]well, i've fucked plenty of men and they don't seem to be missing anything.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^men without 30-40% of their erogenous tissue, that is.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Half the DH on this board can't seem to keep it in their pants. I would want them more sexed up why?
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Give me a break. Every other day on UB is a women posting about cheating on her husband and bragging about the hot sex they had with co-worker/ex-boyfriend/kids' baseball coach/BFF's husband/ guy they met off of facebook...
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]That's exactly the African argument for female circumcision. I guess you support that too.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]TRUTH!!!!
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]male circumcision is in no way comparable to removing an woman's clitoris. sorry.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Let me take a guess which one you've got...
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]a circumcised man is still able to orgasm. a circumcised female? not so much.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
So true. There has been HUGE internal fighting in the CDC about this claim.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]better safe than sorry. and better fresh as a daisy than a gag-inducing cheese dick.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Like pussy has roses coming out of it. More like growing bread with all the yeast infections.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]hmm, let's see. 1) women tend to do a much better job of genital hygeine. 2) men will fuck dirt, so who cares if they don't? 3) it's easier to swab out a vagina than pull back a foreskin and scrape out the cheese.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No women do not do a better job with genital hygiene. Talk to a GYN before making that claim. Women will spread their legs to anyone buying them a drink. They just claim it's a gang rape until they've been caught on tape. Teaching a boy about how to bathe correctly is just as important as teaching a girl. And being that boys can actually see the majority of their genitals, I say pulling back the foreskin to wash is a lot easier.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]omg. crazy person alert.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You're the one stereotyping as if men are brainless neanderthals when it comes to hygiene and sex. I'm surprised all women aren't lesbians being that men are so disgusting according to UB.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]gang rape until it's caught on tape? as if this has anything to do with hygeine? are you sybil's mom or something? wtf?
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]What does men will fuck dirt have to do with this topic. Nothing. It's just a vile stereotype.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Any way I was making a crude reference to the Hofstra student who lied about being gang raped after being caught on tape.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I never fucked dirt. But I did fuck my bathroom mat. Don't fly off the handle bro.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]When I was 12 let me say quickly
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Wasn't it kinda scratchy?
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i think it means, if you want your ds to avoid rejection for cheese dick, get him circed. men don't really care about chees clit.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you have never gone down on a woman with a yeast infection. that is serious business. there had better be payback on the other end.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]and this has exactly what to do with circumcision?
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
The ny times ran an article in August; the AAP will soon become more pro-circumcision for health reasons.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]All it will promote is a false sense of security and more people being careless about safe sex.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's to prevent UTI and other infections in boys. Unless being uncut helps you get laid in nursery school too, they're not thinking about STDs.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]The AAP's position statement on auto accidents would be to stop driving.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]huh?
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Maybe Triple A? LOL.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]All right fine I'll explain. IMO the AAP massively over-reacts to any practice ma & pa wouldn't do in Canton, OH. We heard there was a bedsharing accident! No bedsharing! Never mind that they are vastly outnumbered by crib accidents per capita. We heard there a marginally greater risk of UTI! You must circumcise. The people making these decisions aren't ma & pa in Canton, plus a few statistics. They're making decisions based on a whole different picture. When the AAP issues recommendations they don't seem to have a clue. And I know few parents who give a crap about the AAP anymore than they buy Fruit Loops because (and this was true once) they were okayed by the American Heart Association.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]huh?
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Never mind just do what your pediatrician says and be sure to use all the latest pharmaceuticals that they were sold by big-titted ex-cheerleaders.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Except when they need a member of the AAP to heal their child. Then they are uncharacteristically quiet. No wonder doctors hate their jobs... Someone like you could walk in off the street and they would have to help you.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 06:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]not sure what your sputtering about fruit loops is all about, but medical reporter here and the aap really cares not a turd about ma and pa in canton, nor do they "react" to "practices" by them. i'm no gullible gussy, but i'll take its recs over what i read on ub any day.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 06:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't agree with your conclusion BUT their position(s) on peanuts is a great example too.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 10:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I know, the level of ignorance is astounding. Goes to show how shallow, judgmental and provincial so many really are.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 11:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]misleading & obnoxiously provocative, anyone?...it's hardly mutilation...i'm ambivalent about which way people go on this, but you don't help your cause that way
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 10:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
he'll never have a second date...
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 04:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA. I certainly wouldn't touch an uncircumcised penis much less put one in my mouth. But it would have taken me longer than one date to find out, LOL.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 04:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You have no idea what you're talking about.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 08:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]In other words, I'm not entitled to my opinion because you disagree. Classic.
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 08:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, you're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. A circumcised man is just as capable of exercising poor hygiene as an uncircumcised man. Your concern is hygiene, not circumcision.
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 08:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Now you know what my concern is. You are truly condescending. You are a waste of time.
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 09:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Plenty of uncirumcised men date, get laid, get married, have children. Just because you don't like an uncut dick, doesn't mean another woman won't.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You're welcome to them...
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Wouldn't it be terrible if you met your soul mate, and he wasn't circumcised? Then you'd have to ditch him for some putz missing a small flap of skin.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 08:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Or ask him to get Circ as an adult. Or find someone else.
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 08:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Right, because the possession of a foreskin is such a fundamental issue in any loving, long-term relationship.
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 09:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Who believes in soul mates?
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 08:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
It just shows what a high percentage of the women here are 35+ or 40+. Uncut gets you laid in college these days.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]So does a frat tattoo or a tongue ring.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]So does having weed back in your dorm room.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]In fact I hear no woman can resist the combo of those three things.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sounds irresistible!
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
not according to my 21 y/o niece.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Most of the world is uncut.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 11:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
uncut, unwrapped FEELS better
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]hands on the keyboard, gay uncle.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You, I like!! thank god there is someone out there with a sense of humour amongst all the vitriolic crazies!!
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 09:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ITTTTA. After having uncut, could never go back.
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 11:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]As above, wouldn't it suck if you met your soul mate, except he had this little flap of skin that you don't care for? I guess you'd have to kick him to the curb in favor of a flapless mate.
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 04:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
thanks, cnet fluffer! you've earned your pay tonight!
[ Reply | Options ]09.20.09, 05:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]a dh: I'm cut. Never really thought about it. Then my dw was pregnant with #1. It was a boy and we decided to not circ him. Then #2 was a boy also and we did not circ him. I was in the nursery with #2 after he was born and dw's OB came in and did circ on a couple of boys she had delivered earlier that week. I was surprised how uneventful it was. Before he was one, #2 had to be circ'ed because of hydronephrosis and concerns about complications. This was a big deal. (Urologist told us recovery is longer as child gets older.) Four+ years later, it is not a big deal. #1 and #2 play with their penises at about the same rate. Neither has ever said, "why is mine different?"
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 09:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]thank you for this... a rare rational, non-judgemental perspective!
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 10:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]de nada.
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 10:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]that's what you get when you talk to a man
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 10:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Hey, I can be irrational and judgemental. Ask me about the Red Sucks.
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.09, 10:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] NY times has an article today about circumcision in US. The CDC and AAP will likely p... 2 replies
Talk : : August 24, 2009
NY times has an article today about circumcision in US. The CDC and AAP will likely promote routine circumcision to fight HIV as well as reducing urinary tract infections in baby boys. Uncircumcised men in the US also have lower rates of STD infections like herpes and syphillis. Currently 79% of men in the US are circumcised. It is an interesting article.
2 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.24.09, 07:54 AM [ Flag ]I think you meant to say that uncirc'd men have HIGHER rates of STDs, not lower...
[ Reply | Options ]08.24.09, 08:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I read that, too. Super interesting!
[ Reply | Options ]08.24.09, 08:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I have a prenatal visit with the pediatrician (expecting first one) -- what questions... 6 replies
- I asked about circumcision and about waiting to take antibiotics for ear infections. The answers were very interesting. I think the tone of those answers gave me a good guage for the Drs attitude....
Talk : : August 14, 2009
I have a prenatal visit with the pediatrician (expecting first one) -- what questions should I ask? What did you ask?
6 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.14.09, 10:49 AM [ Flag ]ask about the practice's availability: do they have weekend hours; what is the protocol for emergencies or questions during off hours; if you're a nervous parent, are they patient with lots of calls and questions, even if at midnight, etc.; what hospital are they affiliated with; what are the wait times for appointments; if you're concerned about vaccines, will they space them, etc....
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.09, 11:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]their feelings on breastfeeding, co-sleeping, etc - anything that you don't either want to be advised against or pushed toward.
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.09, 11:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
How many weeks are you? Just curious because I haven't found a ped yet and am wondering if I should have already done so.
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.09, 11:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]27 weeks.
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.09, 11:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i didn't find mine until the baby came (np here ) don't sweat it
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.09, 11:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I asked about circumcision and about waiting to take antibiotics for ear infections. The answers were very interesting. I think the tone of those answers gave me a good guage for the Drs attitude.
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.09, 12:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I don't know why, but I really hate those stupid bows that people put on newborn litt... 46 replies
- child abuse? how about circumcision -- is that child abuse, too? you're clearly a drama queen. your opinion doesn't count to me, sorry. waiting for a more rational response....
Talk : : August 07, 2009
I don't know why, but I really hate those stupid bows that people put on newborn little girls. My friend just had professional photos taken of her 6-week old and that baby is adorable but those stupid bows just ruin the photo! Is it just me? Are those bows really cute and I just don't see it?
46 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.07.09, 01:45 PM [ Flag ]ita - not cute. at all.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 01:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]agree, don't like them
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 01:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Don't like them and they always make me wonder just why people are so afraid their tiny newborn might be mistaken for the opposite gender...yup I'm overthinking
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 01:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP - I agree that's probably why. And these photos are naked black & whites, so you couldn't throw pink on so people would know it's a girl. Makes it even more ridiculous - a naked baby with nothing but a stupid headband bow!
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 01:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]This is my second pregnancy where I don't know the sex of the baby and it is amazing to me how the gendered products & marketing starts before birth. Even something classic like Beatrix Potter dishes now comes in blue and pink - no neutral option at the department store. It's like feminist theory class all over again, why do we need so much enforcement of these categories if they are natural...
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 02:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
not cute at all!!! annoying to say the least..
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 01:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP again - I only have a DS, so you ladies with little girls out there - did you find all the pink annoying? Whenever I'm shopping for a friend with a girl, I refuse to buy pink and sometimes it's really hard, especially when their babies. Pink, or a variation or it, seems to be the only color out there until they're a bit older.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 02:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]***they're (for the grammar moms out there)
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 02:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I refused to do much pink. I did purples, blues, oranges, etc.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 04:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I actually feel there are a lot more color choices for girls than boys. for boys it's dark blue, light blue, medium blue, denim blue and then of course, blue blue.
[ Reply | Options ]08.08.09, 07:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh yes, i hated the pink. my dd wore her brother's hand me downs for as long as possible. Now she's big enough to ask for the pink herself, though, so I am giving in somewhat, although i stil prefer red and purple
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.09, 08:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I dress my son in pink button up shirts or polos. Pink is a really flattering color on little boys. Blue is also a beautiful color on little girls.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.09, 08:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
they're so tacky. up there with earrings on newborns.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 02:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'll take thae headband with bow over the earring studs anyday. At least the headband isn't permanent.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 02:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]so clue me in: what's wrong w/earrings? i had mine pierced as a baby and thank god or they wouldn't be pierced now.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 04:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i got my ears pierced at 11 and i let them close up some time in college. don't really see why it would be a bad thing if your ears weren't pierced now.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 05:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]b/c i like them pierced but never would have done it if they hadn't been done as a baby. but the question is why do people think it's tacky for baby girls to have their ears pierced? i much prefer that for myself than having to do it as an adult or adolescent.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 05:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]how do you know you never would have had them done? i just know that i feel let down when i see a baby with pierced ears b/c in 3rd grade a girl told me that there were babies born with earrings and then she explained she meant they were pierced right after birth. still bugs for some reason.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 06:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ok, well, that doesn't make it tacky. how do i know? because I know myself and i know i wouldn't voluntarily subject myself to pain for earrings, though i'm really glad i have them.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 06:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i'm not one of the posters who said they were tacky :)
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 06:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol ;o) ok, well, i'll have to wait for one of them to enlighten me!
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 06:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's incredibly tacky, and borders on child abuse IMO. Why in the world does an infant need to be subjected to the pain of ear piercing & risk of infection? They have absolutely NO SAY in the matter and are utterly defenseless. Tacky.
[ Reply | Options ]08.08.09, 08:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]child abuse? how about circumcision -- is that child abuse, too? you're clearly a drama queen. your opinion doesn't count to me, sorry. waiting for a more rational response.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.09, 06:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: how 'bout that earrings just look ridiculous on babies?
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.09, 07:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]what i'm gathering from all this is is that it's strictly a matter of personal opinion, so i'll feel free to pierce away, though i too despise the bows, so i won't be using those!
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.09, 07:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I've always assumed it was a cultural thing to pierce a baby's ears. In my family we weren't allowed to have pierced ears until a certain age. 13 I think.
[ Reply | Options ]08.08.09, 06:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ITA!
[ Reply | Options ]08.08.09, 07:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA. I got my ears pierced at 8 because I ASKED my mom. Why should you make the decision for your dd that her ears be pierced as a baby? It's not your body to pierce, not to mention it looks ridiculous.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.09, 07:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I didn't want to find out the gender in advance because I didn't want to get all frilly clothes or clothes with trucks. But now that my dd is here I for sure dress her in girl clothes. It looks strange to me when she wears clothes that see too "boy". But the bows are stupid. We took photos with them as a joke.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 02:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]hahaha.
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I thought only Mexicans put those in their kids' hair?
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 02:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]please be a joke.
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they're horrible.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 04:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]The bog huge ones? My friend put these on her dd EVERYDAY because she had no hair and people were always thinking she was a boy and didn't want her to dress all in pink everyday. However, they shouldn't make them wear those in pictures because it distracts from the picture.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 04:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ugly.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 05:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i don't mind barettes. but those garter-type headbands. . . hideous.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 05:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]awful. they seem to be worn mostly by babies who also have their ears pierced. tacky.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 05:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]why is it tacky to have a baby girl's ears pierced?
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 05:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i hate seeing babies with pierced ears. it's so pretentious and looks like they have a mom readying them for a pageant.
[ Reply | Options ]08.09.09, 04:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]a pageant?
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.09, 06:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
also hate them and was given a bunch at baby shower. DH knows my thoughts and is threatening to decorate our db's head when i'm not looking/he's in charge.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.09, 05:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't like them at all! When I was back South, someone (a stranger no less) actually suggested I glue a bow on my daughter's head with Karo syrup so people could tell she was a girl. Weird.
[ Reply | Options ]08.08.09, 07:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]That is too funny--I don't know which part of the suggestion is odder--the bow, gluing it to her head, or using Karo syrup. Is this a Southern thing?
[ Reply | Options ]08.09.09, 04:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I can only imagine so. I grew up in the deep south, but am raising my daughter in CA. When I go home, this is what I get, LOL!
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.09, 07:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I dislike them simply because MIL overbows dd. Literally everything she buys for her granddaughters has a bow. I dunno why but I think it's very early 80's.
[ Reply | Options ]08.08.09, 07:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]In addition to looking completely silly, I worry that the headbands cause headaches.
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[+] be good to me UB: DS was circumcised in the hospital, it looks fine to me but my Dh ... 5 replies
Talk : : August 06, 2009
be good to me UB: DS was circumcised in the hospital, it looks fine to me but my Dh is convinced it is not right - a little bit of the foreskin is still attached to the head - as in you cannot see the whole head - normal? anyone else have this issue?
5 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.06.09, 01:57 PM [ Flag ]Call the pediatrician and discuss with them.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.09, 02:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]are you sure it's an incomplete circumsion vs adhesions that have formed during healing? neither is uncommon and both are fixable.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.09, 02:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I would say it's a more of an adhesion issue. What can I do? I have discussed with ped. they say he is fine - but my dh insists it's not like his so ..
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.09, 03:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I would see a pediatric urologist (or at least a urologist who is comfortable with peds). It will either be watch and wait or a quick cut to remove the adhesion/incomplete circ then retracting daily. There is some controversy about whether retracting the foreskin daily after the circ is better or worse. I would definitely see a urologist though. Who did your circ - ped or OB (it varies by state)?
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.09, 03:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]see a ped uroliogist. mine had it redone at 15 months. fine now.
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[+] Jewish Moms: did you have a baby naming ceremony for your daughter? If you did how ma... 7 replies
- did it on the 8th day. We did a covenant ceremony, just like you would for a boy, but obviously without the circumcision part. We also added some other prayers. We worked with a very nice young Rabbi at B'nai Jersheron who had done many...We did the ceremony at our apt and you pay the rabbi directly (it's a voluntary donation, same with a circumcision, but a couple hundred is standard). It doesn't actually go through the temple....
Talk : : August 05, 2009
Jewish Moms: did you have a baby naming ceremony for your daughter? If you did how many weeks old was she when you did it? Tx.
7 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.05.09, 07:11 AM [ Flag ]we did it on the 8th day. We did a covenant ceremony, just like you would for a boy, but obviously without the circumcision part. We also added some other prayers. We worked with a very nice young Rabbi at B'nai Jersheron who had done many of these.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 07:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Are you a member there? We are in Brooklyn and don't really have a congregation.. I'm not due for a while but am trying to get a handle on how these things go.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 07:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]we were at the time, but i'm sure there are lots of great rabbi's that can help you. I'm pretty sure the one we worked with was actually an intern at the time. I would call any reform or libral synagogue near you and ask if there is a rabinic intern who can help you write a covenant ceremony for a girl. You don't have to belong to the temple. We did the ceremony at our apt and you pay the rabbi directly (it's a voluntary donation, same with a circumcision, but a couple hundred is standard). It doesn't actually go through the temple.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 07:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Yes. She was 2 months at the time. We had just moved to the 'burbs. I called the local temple and they were very accomodating. The Rabbi performed the ceremony (I made a donation to his sedukah account) and for a fee I was able to rent a space at the temple and had it catered by the local bagel store.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 07:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: did you throw a big party? my mom says everyone in the burbs throws these lavish baby naming parties. we didn't, BTW.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 07:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]or: We did throw a huge party. Probably about 100 people. It was really a beautiful day because we did it on a Sunday, the entire Sanctuary was filled with only our friends and family. I am pregnant with DD#2 and plan to do it again.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 07:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]beyond unnecessary
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[+] my dh is uncircumsized, and has a nasty infection on the head of his penis which he g... 15 replies
- this post is SO FAKE to drum up the circumcision debate!...
Talk : : August 05, 2009
my dh is uncircumsized, and has a nasty infection on the head of his penis which he gave to me(a yeast infection which I was easily able to get rid of) his on the other hand has been lingering for months..any advice? anyone bdtt? he is waiting for his 3rd drs appt. We think the source of the problem is some old lube we used
15 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.05.09, 01:03 AM [ Flag ]sorry no suggestions but your post should serve as a wakeup call for people who don't want to circumcize ds for ridiculous reasons. hope you get answers.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 02:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]? My circ dh passed a yeast infection back to me.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 05:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]2/3 of the world's men aren't circ'd. we're australian and no one circ's there
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]LMAO..bwaa haa haa. so fake. this does not happen folks, absent an std.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 10:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Why didn't DH's parents get him circumsized? Your DH hasn't been cleaning the foreskin/head of his penis/penis in general correctly or doesn't shower often enough. Inspect him to make sure he is clean.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 08:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Are you sure your infection is 100% cleared up? It sounds like you may be reinfecting each other.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 08:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]this post is SO FAKE to drum up the circumcision debate!
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 09:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]So not true. It's a Real Issue if he doesn't clean himself correctly.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 10:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OMG have you even seen an uncircumsized man..what a joke. again, so fake.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 11:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]"Cleaning himself correctly" is rinsing the head of the penis with water. Soap isn't even needed. Its not difficult or time consuming.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 11:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]That's not how you get yeast infections.
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i agree, and i never call fake here.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 10:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR- neither do I!
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 02:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
TMI
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.09, 11:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I wish I was faking it...totally true
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[+] am I crazy? 38 yo, 3 dc and applying to law school. I always said I'd go "around age ... 32 replies
Talk : : July 29, 2009
am I crazy? 38 yo, 3 dc and applying to law school. I always said I'd go "around age 40."
32 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.29.09, 07:02 PM [ Flag ]well, you'll never make partner at big law, probably never get anything in big law. but there's plenty more ways to apply law degree than that big law grind.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]never say never. i knew a guy who went to law school in his late 30s and ended up as an associate in big law. not sure what happened after that as i lost touch with our mutual friend.
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Who are you to say that she'd never make partner or even get a job as an associate? That doesn't make any sense.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I agree that you won't make partner in a big firm, but associate is totally doable so long as they aren't so big that they cut fourth year associates once it's obvious they aren't on the partner track. Working at a big firm is fine for some people, and frankly I thought it was right for me, but I had my DC in law school and my priorities changed immediately. I was no longer willing to work 60-70 hrs a week just to make partner. I'm at a smaller firm now and love it. It'll all work out. If you have the law bug, feed it! :)
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.09, 08:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
my mom got her masters in nursing @ 55. never too late. go! go! go! if anything, she was a HUGE inspiration to me. i'm so proud of her for doing it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]If you can afford to go back to school do it. Education is never a waste. I want so badly to get my Ph.D but since dh doesn't make tons (though he does well) & kids are so expensive I can't give up my job to go back to school & since my job can be intense I can
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^can
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^^ can't see myself balancing work, kid & school
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]what would you get your Ph.D in?
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ideally or the one I could actually get a job with?
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]both
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Frankfurt school - no job prospects, International education - some job prospects
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You'll still be turning 40, whether you are in school or not. Go for it!!
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]how old are your dcs? my MIL got her phd when her boys were 4 and 6 - i know it was hard but i so admire it, maybe i'll get to do that sometime. if a law degree is what you've always wanted and you can swing it, go for it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: my dc are 10, 7, and 5.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]wow...you can totally do this!
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: I'm not up all night anymore, but it's incredible how busy the evenings are with homework, talking about social issues, and driving to activities. I'd have to study during the school day only.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh, that's tough. when i asked MIL how she did it it was working and studying at night and on weekends, and then when she had tests and her dissertation her dh took the kids out of town.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]That's a good way to manage the time. Thanks!
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do it. I opted for an easier course than I really wanted thinking the NP or PA courses would be too hard. I breazed through the course and am annoyed at myself for not pushing myself to do what I really wanted
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]what did you really want? (naturopath/physician's assistant?) Could you do it in the future?
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I wanted to do nurse anasthesiologist or physicians assistant. Took ultrasound course. There are few jobs and I took out a 25k loan, so need to pay that off first
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It seems that clinicians are able to keep adding to their current educations. I hear of many EMTs going to become PAs. A friend's friend started out as a PA and decided to go to med school in her mid 30's. Whatever you decide in the future, go for it and good luck.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks, If I can find a job I will stick with it and continue studying part time
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IDK... are you really passionate about law, and do you have a firm idea about where you want to work? b/c I know so many SAHMs who just went to law school because it was the only money-making way to apply their humanities degree and then ended up hating it and quit...
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: It's a concern. I'd do T&E b/c I'd enjoy the complexity of it and the chance to counsel people on their choices and the relative flexibility of the practice.But I don't have a passion for the law, it's just better paying other options with my humanities degree. (editing, technical writing, teaching, development/program management at a nonprofit). What did your sahm friends do after they quit law school?
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.09, 07:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
OP- WOW is all I can say. Good for you!!! My moms BF did med school at 34 (meaning finished at 38, finished residency+fellowship at 43). she is 50, just went from assistant to associate professor of medicine, and couldnt be happier. 38 is NOT OLD! I am 25 and balacing med school with 2 kids. school and kids = never easy. but you are not 62. you are not even in your forties! and plus you say "I always said I'd go at around 40" so its not like this is a decision you are making on a dime. go with it. if law is your passion, and you feel you can really apply yourself, do it, and go for the gold. you CAN make partner. I know quite a few people who did law school in their 30s and have successful careers today. If you want to go that route, good luck and enjoy!
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.09, 05:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i admire all of you who can do this...someday i'll do it myself
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what do you want out of it? my mom went later in life because she always wanted to and she isn't very happy with the result. As an older woman, she will never advance very far and is still paying back law schools loans. Only job she was able to get is a government job, which is nice for lifestyle, but pay is low and job not very stimulating. Believe it or not, she would be making more money now if she had stayed teaching and would be able to retire. Now as a lawyer, she will never be able to retire.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.09, 07:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm one of the minority of lawyers that actually likes being a lawyer and NO WAY would I start law school in this economy unless (a) you won't take on any debt to do it and (b) you have a pretty much guaranteed job offer for when you are finished.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.09, 08:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I like being a lawyer, too, and I say: GO FOR IT!! If this is what you've wanted to do, then go for it. by the time you emerge from law school, hopefully the economy will have straightened out. but even if it hasn't, following your passion is never a bad idea. i would also suggestion going the best school you possibly can -- credentials matter in this business.
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[+] I just got invited to my first bris. I have nothing against circumcision, but I'm rea... 3 replies
Talk : : July 24, 2009
I just got invited to my first bris. I have nothing against circumcision, but I'm really nervous about having to witness the procedure, whether seeing it or just hearing the baby scream. Can anyone describe to me a bris works with respect to the circumcision portion? (This is a real question on what to expect as a guest, not an invitation to debate circumcision or jewish traditions.)
3 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.24.09, 10:39 AM [ Flag ]stand at the back of the room and enjoy the bagels and nova.
[ Reply | Options ]07.24.09, 10:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Depends on who is performing procedure. Generally it's significance is described, baby is presented and then its done. My 2 ds were done by same great moile (person who does it) and each only squawked for a few seconds, then given wine-soaked gauze and drifted off to la-la-land. Just look away during.
[ Reply | Options ]07.24.09, 10:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]No screaming?
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[+] Just logged on while eating my lunch and every single thread I read -- circumcision, ... 6 replies
- i never read the political posts and generally stay away from circumcision and religion posts too. but i don't mind the bullying posts, i think there's a lot of food for thought on them. and i was the op of one of the posts and got plenty of criticism sent my way....
Talk : : July 22, 2009
Just logged on while eating my lunch and every single thread I read -- circumcision, bullying, Obama -- made me sick to my stomach with the raging hostility, closed mindedness, furious, aggressive need to make others see things the poster's way and if they don't, shoot 'em in the head. I can't stand it. I came on here for mindless reading and instead my blood pressure is racing. I'm not new to this site, been coming 5 years, I know what to expect, but I think today is the end. If this is the way people really are, this hating and angry, I don't want to know about it. Good bye for good.
6 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.22.09, 10:06 AM [ Flag ]i see a lot of what you're saying in those threads, but i also see a lot of reasonable, kind responses.
[ Reply | Options ]07.22.09, 10:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]But she right that the screamers drown them out. If this were a physical gathering, the reasonable people would be silenced by the blind angry screamers -- and I would probably leave the space too.
[ Reply | Options ]07.22.09, 10:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i get that...it grinds on me too sometimes. i try to stay out of fights and collapse the long posts where i know the endless bickering lies.
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i never read the political posts and generally stay away from circumcision and religion posts too. but i don't mind the bullying posts, i think there's a lot of food for thought on them. and i was the op of one of the posts and got plenty of criticism sent my way.
[ Reply | Options ]07.22.09, 10:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I agree with you about the hostility, etc., but I don't see the difference b/t today and any other day. This place is toxic. Were it not for the fact that I am learning the ropes with the NY Schools thing, and ANYONE I ask says to go to UB, I would not be here.
[ Reply | Options ]07.22.09, 10:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's good to know what posts trigger you so you can avoid them. I stay away from Obama and abortion topics because I just can't take them.
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[+] Wow--all the crazy circumcision discussion. I'm a doctor and I can assure you that th... 43 replies
- bwahahahaha! i can't believe she equates not circumcising to not having grandchildren....
Talk : : July 21, 2009
Wow--all the crazy circumcision discussion. I'm a doctor and I can assure you that the times article was talking about HIV in Africa, not in the developed world. Education and condoms are all much better at preventing the spread of HIV than circumcision. US doctors no longer recommend circumcision unless for religious reasons (observant Jews and Muslims.) Doctors used to recommend it as a way to cut down on masturbation.
43 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.21.09, 11:46 AM [ Flag ]thx for posting this...it's good to hear the medical perspective.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Regardless, it looks creepy. I'll bet circumcized men get more oral sex. One day, your son will thank you.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]as if my first concern with my newborn son will be whether i'm setting him up to get enough head. okaaaaay.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's not like he's going to get it fixed when he's 17.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]"fixed"?
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]if he decides he doesn't like it
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i've known more than a few men w/uncircumcised penises and i don't think one of them would consider getting it "fixed".
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]the only men i have ever "known" have been uncircumcised. they never considered it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]wow you both get around
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]??
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that's a lot of men to "know"
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]so we're saying you can't read.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i've known 9 men in my life and i'm 36. i've also had mostly male friends and since this has come up, i've always asked them if they regretted not being nipped. if you think that's too much "knowing" i'm very sorry for you.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
how do you know we "get around". silly statement. or is it that you're hard-up?
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new poster: My dad was not circ'd when he married my mom, but made the decision to circ as an adult.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Wow. Why did he do that?
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Wow - brave guy!
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't even know if my dad is circ'd.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]don't think about it. i try not to.
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you are going to want grandchildren one day
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np. last i heard, oral sex didn't yield children. (guess some guy told you that, huh.)
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]bwahahahaha! i can't believe she equates not circumcising to not having grandchildren.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well, people have been trying to explain why birth rates are so low in Europe. LOL.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]hee hee
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
There are lots of nerve endings in the forskin so the intact penis is more sensitive than the circumsized. Don't get him circumsized. One day your son will thank you.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]as will his wife.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ah. the voice of reason. where were you!!!
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Notice no one responds to the voice of reason with anything other than the same old idiotic stuff.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i was the first responder and only posting thanks for hearing a medical perspective. lookey what happened...so classically UB.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Christians also circumcise.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not for religious reasons.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes. dh is presbyterian and that's apparently a norm.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]--true what poster says above...i think for them it's more cultural
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]again, that's not really true.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]really? dh says it's a waspy/presbyterian thing to do.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]maybe it's a white presbyterian thing to do. (it is possible, sadly, to be presbyterian and non white)
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol...i have no idea. i wasn't born here and was raised greek orthodox so this is all new to me.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it may be that your husband only knows the world he lives in
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 01:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
It's a white American thing to do. The UK is full of Anglicans and Presbyterians and most of them don't circ.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
but not because they are christians.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP didn't say they didn't. (S)he said Jews and Muslims do it for religious reasons.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]and what you mean to say is SOME christians circumcise.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 12:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's more so an American thing than a Christian thing.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Reading a post on circumcision below, I am surprised how many people assume that if y... 87 replies
- Read the front page of yesterday's NY Times. Circumcision prevents HIV. However, the Jewish issue is different. Your...
- "Lack of Medicaid coverage for neonatal male circumcision correlated with lower rates of circumcision. Because uncircumcised males...other sexually transmitted infections, lack of Medicaid coverage for circumcision may translate into future health disparities for children born...
Talk : : July 21, 2009
Reading a post on circumcision below, I am surprised how many people assume that if you're both Jewish, you have to do it. We are raising our children in a Jewish household: we belong to a synagogue, we celebrate the holidays, the plan to have a bar and bat mitzvah. We did not circumsize our son for the same reason that we are giving our daughter a bat mizvah. We do not observe Jewish law that we find out dated! Our Rabbi supported our decision and many Jews are finally beginning to question this outmoded, painful mutilation.
87 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.21.09, 06:53 AM [ Flag ]To each their own. Do what you feel best and so will others.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 06:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think of it as what's socially acceptable as opposed to it's religious connotation. Every catholic person I know who has a son chose to circumsize. A circumsized penis is consiered amoung the general population to be a clean, "normal" looking penis.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 06:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: although i did circ my sons, i think this line of thinking is becoming outdated. only 50% of newborn males are circ'd anymore.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]"Currently, the United States is the only country in the developed world where the majority of male infants are circumcised for non-religious reasons. Circumcision rates in the United States vary according to geographic area, socioeconomic status, religious affiliation, insurance coverage, hospital type, and racial and ethnic group. In the United States, it is estimated that between 80 and 85 percent of males are circumcised [1]. Up to 20 percent of men who are not circumcised during the newborn periods will be circumcised sometime later in life." The Mayo Clinic 2009
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I find this data to conflict with your statement, and it seems data intensive- scroll down for mroe recent info- http://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/USA/
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: even when you scroll down it is outdated. how is above post "data-intensive?" your post is data intensive and outdated.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 08:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]it goes to 2006- and illusrtaes a trend. How did you not see that chart? Do you think from 2006 to 2008 circumcision rates increased dramatically after a 10+ year trend clearly indicated?
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The reason for the decline is missing from the 2006 data (yes, outdated) that you posted. The decline is mostly seen in black and hispanic groups and could be because of a lack of insurance coverage. It does not mean that this practice is becoming more socially acceptable which is what the poster you replied to was saying-- (that it is a social choice more so than a religious choice)
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 08:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]looks like white went from about 34% uncircumcised in 1979 to 43% incircumcised in 2006. I'd say that is a good trend, and no where near the 20% number quoted above.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 08:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]the 20% number is men who were not circumsized as newborns that will be circumsized later in life.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I was speaking to the "80-85% of men are circumcised" comment, which is different from everything I've read- I reasearched this heavily when looking at circumcision for my son.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
there are poor white people too
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]"Lack of Medicaid coverage for neonatal male circumcision correlated with lower rates of circumcision. Because uncircumcised males face greater risk of HIV and other sexually transmitted infections, lack of Medicaid coverage for circumcision may translate into future health disparities for children born to poor families covered by Medicaid" 2009 data.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I was saying that the link I was posting was data intensive, sorry-
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 08:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Anyone care to put forth a theory as why the numbers in the West region are so different than other parts of the country?
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 08:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]immigrants- asians and latin americans-
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 08:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'm catholic and my ds is not circumsized. I'm curious how you know the status of every catholic person's sons penis. Obviously you've seen a few when dc were young and having diapers changed. Are you assuming about the rest of them or do you routinely ask the parents?
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I said every Catholic person "I know". That means people I personally know who are catholic-- like me. My friends, family.......get it now??? When did I ever claim to know the status of every Catholic person's sons penis? Reading comprehension....please!!!
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]There's nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. Its not every Catholic person you know. I'm sure you have neighbors who are Catholic. You know then but know nothing about the circumsicsion choices.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 08:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I am talking about people I KNOW- not strangers, not people I know exist, not someone I've met once or twice...people I know. get a grip.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 08:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^ btw it's "you know them"..."not you know then" looks like your writing skills could use some honing too
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 08:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]BTW, in your second quote the not should not be inside the quotation marks. Everyone makes typos now and then.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 08:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes, everyone makes typos but this crazy nut is trying to nitpick when she is not even paying attention.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think its just that the quickly written statements on UB can be taken different ways. Every Catholic person I know could include everyone at my church, my doormen, and fellow workers, or it could mean everyone in my cirlce of family and close friends.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i guess there are morons who would actually claim to know about the circumcicision practices of large groups of people.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np. on ub, everyone is an expert on everything.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i assume everyone is educated enough to know abbreviated lingo to some extent. (that when discussing a personal/private topic, "people I know" means actual friends/family not huge groups of strangers).
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
the general population?? wtf?
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I agree, uncircumcised penises are creepy looking.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 08:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i've only seen circ'd ones in photographs, so i don't know.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]very, ita. gross!!!!
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]only gross if it's what you're not used to. in other words - don't yuck someone else's yum.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yuck
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]how is extra skin that has to be pulled back and cleaned and can be prone to infection anyone's "yum"?
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ita
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]no offense, but isn't that how you clean yourself as a woman?
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you pull your vagina skin back to clean it? how much skin do you have down there? maybe you need a nip tuck. lolol
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yikes, lol
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 10:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
smegma is not yummy
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
lol, am totally going to start using that one! ;)
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 10:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
You think they are creepy looking only because your experience is limited to cir'ed penises.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 10:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
^^ sorry.....technical correction: all of my closest friends and family (most of whom are catholic) have circumsized their sons
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]well thanks for clearing up that meaningful statistic. just to throw a monkey wrench - none of my closest friends and family (most of whom are catholic) have circumsized their sons. dh isn't circ'd either.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm more bothered by your claim that among the general population a circumsized penis is considered to be clean and "normal". Again you're confusing your circle of friends with the general population. Given that the rates in the US are close to even for newborns, and are generally much higher for uncircumsized in the rest of the world the "general population" does not agree with you.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 10:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]the educated, upper middle-upper class population. see reasons for decline in US circ. it has to do with affordability. an uncircumsized penis is more prone to disease and is less clean than a circumsized penis. facts.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 10:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Umm, no. There are educated, upper middle class people on both sides of the arguement. Regarding cleanliness, its one extra thing to wash. Not a big deal in this country where we have plenty of clean water.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 10:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Here is one Catholic family electing not to circumcise their son!
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.09, 10:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'm circ'ed. One of my sons is one is not. (#2 had to be at 6 months because of medical problems. He should have been at birth but we didn't know that.) I was in the nursery with #2 when dw's OB did the circ on two boys she had delivered. It was not a big deal. Less discomfort then a heal stick test for jaundice.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i am personally very confused about the circumcision thing (we're not jewish). dh is from a presbyterian background and it's assumed that a ds will get circumcised. i am expecting and don't know whether we're having a boy or girl yet, but am afraid that a circ. will be expected if we have a boy.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]circumcision at birth for non-religious reasons is very traditionally American, but things are changing. if you google you will find a lot of information about it. it is not necessary, although that doesn't mean there aren't valid reasons for doing it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]my dh keeps referring to some articles which came out not long ago stating that circumcisions do decrease some std risks and such :\
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]exactly, that's why i said there are valid reasons, but it's not necessary.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Let the boy have a normal sex life
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i'm not for the chop, but i have to find a reasonable and kind way to convince dh. he's circumcised as is his brother, father so it's a cultural thing...an uphill battle for me. the thought of cutting my baby for no reason makes me break out in goosebumps.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]it's not for no reason.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i guess i'm just emotional since i'm expecting and cutting my baby makes me wince. i'll get the facts and make an informed decision.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]there are going to be a lot of things as a mom that make you emotional and wince.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks for the condescension, but i'm already a mom of a dd.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 08:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]how is that condescending? you sound like the guy below who takes offense to mere "implications". you wince easily.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
The American Academy of Pediatrics (which neither supports nor opposes circ) has some good information (pro and con) on its website. The discussions that take place here don't tend to be that helpful.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Front page of yesterdays newyork times says circumcision reduces the risk of hiv infection by up to 60%.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]really?
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]--just googled and found, thanks.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I don't get why people are opposed when studies constantly come out saying it helps w/ communicable diseases. google it and go w/ the facts, not just emotions. protect your kids people.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'll teach my kid to use a condom.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]and you're gonna follow him around while he's sowing his oats? good luck w/ that one
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]and you're gonna think you son's safe from STDs because he's circumsized?
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 09:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
careful-- he may think he already has one on
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ita.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
As a nonreligious Jew I find it extremely offensive that you would call circumcision "mutilation." It implies that Jews since Abraham are deliberately harming their newborn sons. Very offensive.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]people have opinions...it's a waste of time to be offended by them.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]that is silly. people circ girls in africa too. I am opposed to that practice while knowing people think they are not harming their dds.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Are you opposed to ear piercing as well?
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: i'm actually opposed to it when done to infants. people can do it to their kids and that's their business, but no way i would do it to mine. when she's old enough (12 was when i did it), she can choose.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 08:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
the difference is female circumcision = genital mutilation and is deliberately performed to kill all sensation and sexual pleasure that women are not entitled to feel. I have never heard a circumcised man complain that he doesn't feel anything when stimulated.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 10:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np: honestly, i think that there was once a greater health/medical need for circumcision. i don't think those who circ are deliberately mutilating their children. i DID circ my sons but can't help agreeing that it is kind of mutilation - even if there are valid reasons for it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 08:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
we are jewish - not religious. but had doc do circum.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do what you want, but be informed. Read the front page of yesterday's NY Times. Circumcision prevents HIV. However, the Jewish issue is different. Your uncircumcised son will not be accepted by the mainstream Jewish community. If he wants to marry a Conservative or Orthodox girl, he will have to be circumcised by a moyel with a religious ceremony (not by a doctor- unless your doc is a moyel, too). The circumcision enters him into the Covenant of Abraham.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Please read the NY Times article. It does not say "circumcision prevents HIV". In fact, they go out of the way to say that it does not PREVENT HIV. It does lessen the chances of infection. With something so dangerous as HIV I think we need to be careful with wording.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 08:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]right. better they be told to bag it up.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 08:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]here's another article i found: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/27/health/27std.html?hpw in case you have to log in the first sentence says "Male circumcision, already shown to reduce the incidence of H.I.V. infection in men, also reduces transmission of both herpes simplex virus Type 2 and human papilloma virus, a study has found."
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 08:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
You are the end of the religion then
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 10:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Eh, I honestly don't think it's a big deal either way. People get all freaked out about it when there are bigger fish to fry. Just decide what you want to do an move on.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 10:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]so essentially you are saying that your judaism is not a religion, it's a social group with causes you believe in. that's fine. as long as you realize the distinction.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 10:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Only 65% of US baby boys are circumcised these days, according to the federal gov't. That is about two-thirds. It is NOT a universal practice. Also, it is much more common on the East Coast than on the West Coast. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/pubs/pubd/hestats/circumcisions/circumcisions.htm
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 10:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I was on the fence about circumcising my second son, and my OB said that 90% of the male babies he delivers are circumcised. We're on the east coast in a pretty Jewish area but I thought that was odd and interesting.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 05:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
A child who is not circumcised at a brit milah is "spiritually cut off from God and the Jewish people." (see Genesis 17:14) even if born of a Jewish mother.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 05:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] PG and expecting a boy. I'm Jewish and DH is half Jewish, half Catholic (but we're b... 21 replies
- did a nice ceremony. You can also go with a hospital circumcision, but I made up/bought in to that it was a...There are many Jewish laws that reform Jews have rejected and circumcision seems to me the first thing that should go. We...boys (my brother and my dh and his brothers) were circumcised, but in the hospital. No bris. I don't know...my own family from this. Personally, though, I do support circumcision for health reasons, but that's a different thing....
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PG and expecting a boy. I'm Jewish and DH is half Jewish, half Catholic (but we're both lax and non-practicing). Planning to "celebrate" holidays from both sides (Christmas and Hanukkah, Passover and Easter, etc.). But what do we do about a bris? DH claims not to care (and doesn't know what his parents did - and doesn't want to ask until we've made a decision). Ideas? Thanks.
21 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.20.09, 07:40 PM [ Flag ]Have the hospital do it. Or, better yet, skip the mutilation and leave your son intact.
[ Reply | Options ]07.20.09, 07:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do you have any intention of raising ds as a Jew? If so, have him circ'ed. Otherwise, don't do it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.20.09, 08:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: To clarify: we will circumsize (that's already decided). The question is: do we have some sort of bris (maybe modified, maybe traditional) or do we have it done in the hospital?
[ Reply | Options ]07.20.09, 08:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Then do a bris.
[ Reply | Options ]07.20.09, 08:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you can have a doctor-mohel do it - best of both worlds, so to speak...
[ Reply | Options ]07.20.09, 08:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]another senseless mutilation
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 05:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR: I'm a dh who is circ'ed. My first son was not and my second was. Circ is not a big deal.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 06:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ANyone can get circumsized but a bris a religious celebration. It is really your choice.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 06:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
If you are Jewish, your son is considered Jewish. If there is ANY chance he will be raised Jewish, have a bris done by a moyel. Do it the correct way- by a moyel. Otherwise, he will have to have blood drawn as an adult if he chooses to be Jewish.
[ Reply | Options ]07.20.09, 08:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, that would only be the case if the father were Jewish and the mother were not. BTW, there are MDs who are trained as moyels (google it, you'll find a list) so you can have the circumcision done by a doctor and fulfill the rituals at the same time.
[ Reply | Options ]07.20.09, 08:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: I just don't know. I didn't have a Bat Mitzvah, we were married by a judge, etc. - but I still "consider" myself Jewish (although I know that others would not). If we were both Jewish, we'd have a bris without question - but there is also this feeling that we don't want to "offend" FIL (not Jewish) and his relatives without reason. Have some thinking to do...
[ Reply | Options ]07.20.09, 08:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]why would this offend your in laws? DH is not jewish and I am and I did a bris. My MIL came to the bris and was part of the ceremony. I think in laws are offended if you exclude them.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
We were in a similar situation. DH is not Jewish at all and I am Jewish with some religious siblings. We are probably raising the kids a nothing/both/confused sort of thing (oh well). We had a family-only bris on the 8th day at our apartment. We used Dr. Mazel who is an OB and he did a nice ceremony. You can also go with a hospital circumcision, but I made up/bought in to that it was a little more humane to do it at home with a baby drunk on Manishevitz. Other friends in similar situations did it at the hospital.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 06:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]the more humane thing to do, if you're truly not religious, is not circumsize in the first place. But I am not sure why doing it at home is more humane, I actually think the pain medication used in the hospital would make it less painful for the baby.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 06:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, from what I read the bris seems less mean but I agree that it is relative. It is quicker, he had pain stuff, and he was cuddled before, during and after. The baby cried for a few minutes, then slept, and then had a diaper rash that seemed more irritating.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 06:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]- Oh, yes, it's Mazlin not Mazel.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 06:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Forgive me my meddling, but perhaps consider raising your son Jewish until bar mitzvah? He can always choose not to continue down that path afterward, but it's much easier to reject a religion than to find one later, and it would help with the Judaism-dying-out thing.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 06:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]There is a movement among reform Jews to reject circumcision--google it and you will find it. There are many Jewish laws that reform Jews have rejected and circumcision seems to me the first thing that should go. We did not do it for our son because the thought of wounding him deliberately seemed atrocious. We also do not observe the sabbath in a traditional way. Our children will have bar and bat mitzvahs and we do celebrate the holidays and belong to a temple. Our rabbi approved of our decision.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 06:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR, and those are two different things. I am more concerned about the loosey-goosey celebrate-all-holidays thing because those kids almost NEVER grow up to choose Judaism, and I've seen the loss of the Jewish religion and culture up close in my own family from this. Personally, though, I do support circumcision for health reasons, but that's a different thing.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 07:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
call jeffrey mazlin-ob gyn/mohel. he did our son and he delivered him too. great. no more pain at where ever you do it than in hospital.
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 06:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]My DH and I are both Jewish, but fairly lax. When we were both growing up in Reform Jewish families, the boys (my brother and my dh and his brothers) were circumcised, but in the hospital. No bris. I don't know what the poster above is talking about, but you don't have to do a bris for your son in order for him to be considered Jewish!
[ Reply | Options ]07.21.09, 06:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I am due in a few weeks and dh and I can't agree on how to circumcise the baby. We a... 4 replies
- np: ITTA this is a pretty good compromise. Not crazy about hospital circumcisions unless you are positive you know who is doing them (might be a resident, or someone that doesn't do many)....
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I am due in a few weeks and dh and I can't agree on how to circumcise the baby. We are Jewish and he wants to have a traditional briss. I want baby to be circumcised at hospital before coming home. We have twins that were circumcised by a moyel and it was a terrible experience (the boys had a lot of bleeding and the moyel was totally unhelpful). This is the first time in our marriage that we can not find a solution together. WWYD?
4 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.12.09, 12:30 PM [ Flag ]If you've done it the traditional way once already and it was a problem, I would do it the medically safer way and ask DH to suck it up. He had his way the first time...
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.09, 12:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]There are a few Reform mohyels that are doctors (in their day jobs)in the New York area. That may be a compromise? Barry Maisel and Dorothy Greenbaum. We've used both. Maisel is the better surgeon.
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.09, 01:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: ITTA this is a pretty good compromise. Not crazy about hospital circumcisions unless you are positive you know who is doing them (might be a resident, or someone that doesn't do many).
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.09, 03:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I think moyels are way more experienced at this than doctors- especially new doctors! A moyel/doctor is a good compromise, or just find a new, better moyel. You need the moyel for your son to be entered into the Covenant of Abraham.
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.09, 04:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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- what do you think of wahms? sahms? formula feeding? single parent households? circumcision? vaccination? are private schools really better than public? i miss any?...
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what do you think of wahms? sahms? formula feeding? single parent households? circumcision? vaccination? are private schools really better than public? i miss any?
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 01:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]city vs. 'burbs
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 01:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Asians, Jews, and lower tier Ivy are stupid, sexist, blah blah blah
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 01:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
who's better--black people or white people?
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 01:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Should I really have that 7th abortion?
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[+] Not OP on the one below, but the post regarding misogyny in America. You think it's ... 71 replies
- female circumcision happens all over the middle east- it is somewhat linked to islam. Irag, Asghanistan, Pakistan, India, Indonesia...
Talk : : June 29, 2009
Not OP on the one below, but the post regarding misogyny in America. You think it's on par with Middle eastern countries, india, and china? Wow, I am shocked. Women use their sexuality too much in America, sure. But will they be stoned to death for doing so? Not any time soon. Will an American woman who's raped be killed? Can a father drown his daughter in his pool if she kisses a man out of wedlock? Are female newborns left on the side of the road to die, or frequently aborted in favor of a male child? Do American women incur genital mutilation to remove their capacity for sexual pleasure? Can they not vote? Can they not buy property? Are they subservient to their husbands? Are they treated as a burden that must be "sold off"?
71 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]06.29.09, 08:55 AM [ Flag ]A. Holy exaggerations. You obviously know jack about the subject you're talking about, since you exaggerate facts extremely. B. The sexualization of little girls and women here IS just as big a problem; women here being told that their worth is determined by their looks and sexual favors.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 08:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np - Oh PLEASE. Try surviving as a woman in a middle eastern country for ONE DAY.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Queen Rania seems to do just fine.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Big difference between Jordan and, say, Saudi Arabia.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: OP seem to have no problems lumping Middle East all together.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]And the Middle East with India + China. OP and most of her supporters have no clue.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
oh yes, because royals are just everyday folks.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 06:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]News flash: There are plenty of non-royal women surviving in ME countries. Not just "surviving," but enjoying themselves.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 06:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Right up until the forget to put their scarf on, have a private conversation with a man not their husband, or, gasp, go to school. Then these so-called men have some battery acid for their asses. Oh, but that was just an isolated incident. Yeah, right.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Maybe actually women here are allowed to embrace their sexuality. Sexuality is not gross- something to be hidden and covered up. It was called the sexual revolution and it happened because women wanted it to! Women are allowed to enjoy sex for what it is and not feel like it is something to give away or save for a man. Younger women today might engage in sex more frequently but they are just as likely as young men to want to play the field. I think it's crazy that all these posters think that being a woman in America is so bad incomparison to places where women have no rights and are treated as sub-human.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, women today feel like they HAVE to have sex, a lot more than they would want, to attract and keep their gentleman admirers. And what places are you referring to, where women have no rights and are treated as sub-human? Have you actually lived in any of those places?
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Iran, Irag, Asghanistan, Pakistan, India, Indonesia
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Again, have you lived in any of those places?
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do I have to live in afghanistan to know how bad it is for a woman to live there? Have you been living under a rock???
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You see no difference between Afghanistan vs. Pakistan, India, and Indonesia? That uneducated, are you? "All brown people are the same"
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I didn't say that these palces are all the same, just that women are heavily persecuted or treated as less than a male in these countries. it is a fact.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, it's not. But go ahead and keep reading Time magazine and think you know everything.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
sigh. The ignorance is so depressing...
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes, your ignorance. Very sad.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]If you are conflating the cultures of the above countries then sorry--you are clueless and uneducated.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I am saying all of those countries are DIFFERENT in how they treat women, in both extremism and type.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't think I was referencing your post then--sometimes it's very confusing how the posts stack up. Any poster making sweeping generalizations about this very different group of countries isn't making sense. And Saddam Hussein's regime, oddly enough, was recognized as being very good for women, but of course a lot of Americans think that he was some kind of Islamic fundamentalist and not a nationalist nut. The ignorance in the country is amazing.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I think you're better off being a woman in America than many other countries in terms what your legal rights are (although also worse off than in many other parts of the Western world). But in terms of cultural attitudes, especially controlling for education and social class? Not so much.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITTTA.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
The original post was about women from different cultures living in America (where they have the same legal rights and protections as the rest of us).
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 08:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Those are lower-class problems, at least in India and China. Not common among the educated classes. And I would argue that similar problems exist among the lower classes in this country as well.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]As Amy Poehler would say... "Really?"
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yeah, really
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]so american women can't vote? can be stoned to death for an accusation of impurity?
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]This happens in China?! News to me!
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You're right. American women get the privilege of being date raped and domestically abused. Lucky us.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]at least it's illegal here.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Um yeah, it's illegal there too. Try reading once in a while...
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]It is totally legal to hit women in many countries. Women raped in some countries become the persecuted.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Which countries? Please name.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]http://americanbedu.com/2009/05/18/saudi-arabia-is-it-okay-to-beat-a-woman/
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Those are people discussing. In fact, there ARE laws in Saudi Arabia, etc. against domestic abuse. Unfortunately women are often coerced from seeking justice, and the courts are often corrupt. Different from "totally legal" so get to facts straight before spewing nonsense.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np- in reading this it is easy to see that a certain level of beating is acceptable by law, if a woman does certain things to deserve it, thus a public service annoucement to instruct you when it's ok to beat your wife.
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
what portion of indians and chinese are in the educated classes?
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]More and more every day
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]again, approximate percentage?
[ Reply | Options ]06.29.09, 09:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm not an encyclopedia, so go ahead and look it up...
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