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[+] Does the H1N1 vaccine in the US have adjuvants? Hope not 8 replies
- thimerosol (mercury) that is ok. What I am asking are adjuvants (to accelerate vaccine) - That is what has been approved in Europe and they are now finding...always get tons of press--and then the studies debunking the claims don't! Kind of like the vaccine/autism claims....
- no problem--i think vaccine makers here are really trying to avoid anything that might make people reluctant to get vaccinated!...
Talk : : November 20, 2009
Does the H1N1 vaccine in the US have adjuvants? Hope not
8 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.20.09, 04:44 PM [ Flag ]-
I know we have thimerosol (mercury) that is ok. What I am asking are adjuvants (to accelerate vaccine) - That is what has been approved in Europe and they are now finding little issues with it. I believe the US has not allowed for these but dont know where / how to check
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 04:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Nope. It does in some other countries though (Canada, for example).
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 04:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: thank you. That is what I thought but was just checking. Reada few articles today about some problems coming up with adjuvants in h1n1 (glaxo is maker) - thanks
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 04:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no problem--i think vaccine makers here are really trying to avoid anything that might make people reluctant to get vaccinated!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 04:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
^^BTW, no real evidence that adjuvants such as squalene cause any problems. The initial studies that claim an association always get tons of press--and then the studies debunking the claims don't! Kind of like the vaccine/autism claims.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 04:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: thanks - I know but was reading a few articles today about issue in France especially. A little concerning that's all so made me wonder....
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 04:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes, better not to have to worry :)
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 05:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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[+] so, what's the consensus on getting the swine flu vaccine in the first trimester? wo... 1 reply
Talk : : November 20, 2009
so, what's the consensus on getting the swine flu vaccine in the first trimester? would you do it?
1 reply [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.20.09, 01:24 PM [ Flag ]I did, and you should...according to the CDC and my OB. Make sure to get one with no Thimerasol.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 01:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Another NEST question. Does anyone understand the recent email about kids having to ... 33 replies
- Sure the child is in Kindergarten can speak and write name address and telephone number; still two children in Brooklyn were injected with H1N1 vaccine without parental consent - the school nurse said they called the name and another child was sent to the office - nurse should have reverified - an ID would have helped - no real damage was done - but if child had an...
Talk : : November 20, 2009
Another NEST question. Does anyone understand the recent email about kids having to start wearing plastic ID cards all day? I don't want to ask on the NEST forums because they're a little...high intensity, esp. when discussing admin. decisions. Anyone know what this is about?
33 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.20.09, 07:06 AM [ Flag ]Are you referring to this memo. "it has come to my attention that many of the children no longer have the IDs that were made for them when they first started at NEST+m. As it would help the School Nurse, the new Aides and the Dining Hall staff to have the children wear their IDs during certain parts of the day, I've asked the teachers to help identify all the students who need new IDs so that we can make sure every student has one. Thanks for your support on this endeavour."
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]... seems to me completely reasonable you portray "wearing plastic ID cards All Day" is a bit skewed.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: they are being asked to wear them all day, no? If not how will the new Aides and Dining Hall staff see them? BTW, is the capitalization in the memo or did OR add it?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]nope not all day, just to have them: I for one would want the school Nurse to be absolutely positive of the ID of my child before say giving nasal mist for H1N1 (which could hurt my child)
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You can't trust your child to tell the nurse his/her name? I always thought NEST was getting an unjustified bad rap here but kids in school having nametags is an insane rule.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sure the child is in Kindergarten can speak and write name address and telephone number; still two children in Brooklyn were injected with H1N1 vaccine without parental consent - the school nurse said they called the name and another child was sent to the office - nurse should have reverified - an ID would have helped - no real damage was done - but if child had an egg allergy or if given the mist and has asthma you never know what could have happened.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 12:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]... don't get me wrong I don't think it is necessary either - but it doesn't bother me that my kid is wearing a name tag with his name on it. Now if was a dunce sign like we had to wear that is another story
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 12:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I could also see where it would be helpful to quickly identify who goes where as it has been pointed out that there is not enough time for lunch etc... I don't have a conern about this - it is not like they are making them wear orange jumpsuites
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]can I ask politely that since we have asked for more communication that it would not be a great idea to criticize the communication we get - I'm sure the author knows all the grammar rules- there are different standards when typing at places such as this rather than formal letters at least in my book
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]IDA. Schools are supposed to teach the grammer rules and they should follow them.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]In a perfect world yes.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Do you understand the new policy, then? Sounds to me that they'll be wearing plastic IDs every day.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]it says "certain parts of the day"
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Don't you find that weird?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i bet it means not when they are in a place where their name and school could be learned by some pervert. not on the playground, not on field trips. just a guess.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Honestly, I don't; but I respect that you do. Ours is a very diverse school population and you know what it is great but we all have different backgrounds - this seems completely normal to me.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
not a nest parent, but is this really necessary? presumably a genius who tested into nest can identify himself unless comatose. it just makes the school seem like a factory. glad our (very crowded) school doesn't do this.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]nest students use the id to check out library books & classroom books and to charge lunch - not to id themselves.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]gosh, we use the old-fashioned way. i guess we don't have enough reverentia pro sciencia at our school.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yep bar codes rule
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]it really is very helpful, (e.g. at my local gen ed free school lunch children are identified on a list which is supposed to be confidential but it becomes apparent who is getting free lunch - with a bar code parents pay website on the back end, or not, and there is no stigma - at least that is the way it is supposed to work.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]couldn't you use the website to pay without a bar code? or just mail a check? there's no stigma at our school and we don't have barcodes.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]How is that possible? At our school each dc has a number and the lunch is charged to that number, and if you are free lunch you don't get a bill, if you are not you will not get anything.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
So now-you must realize-parents from Nest+M are on UB.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR - did I come across as high intensity? because I tried to tone it down.......
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP here, and I didn't think so, and I really don't want to be hypercritical at all - I give the new AP the full benefit of the doubt and she seems great so far - but I've never heard of an elementary school requiring kids to wear ids and I thought the email was cryptic enough so that maybe I just didn't understand. If it means that they grab them when they're off to the library, that makes sense. If it means they are wearing them clipped to their shirts all day or at recess, that seems very institutional and sort of creepy
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]agree. i can see why the school might want dcs to have them, but wearing them seems creepy.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oh c'mon it makes the Best Buy uniform authentic
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ha! i was just thinking that. and i take credit for the original nest/best buy joke. : )
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]thank you for that - it made me laught at the time
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I don't think they have to wear them all day. The admin just want the kids to have their IDs handy at school in case they need it. Went to the open house today... 2 kids were wearing it in one class, none at the other...
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 11:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]perhaps you should come to school at least once a month to understand what is going on.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 11:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you have a nice chance to do visit the school, today... Potluck dinner! Let me guess - you have other plans!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 12:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Anyone do a walk-in clinic for the H1N1 vacc for their kid in Manhattan? Trying to d... 5 replies
- down the block, but took 40 minutes start to finish. Walk in took longer, but really not a problem. Weekend clinics won't vaccinate children under 4....
- women so I couldn't even get it and after 2 hours of waiting the child in front of us got the last regular vaccination but luckily the y had the mist. I'm glad she was able to get something after that wait but we'll now have...
Talk : : November 19, 2009
Anyone do a walk-in clinic for the H1N1 vacc for their kid in Manhattan? Trying to determine if it's going to be too crazy to go right now or if this is actually a good time.
5 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.19.09, 06:46 AM [ Flag ]I did a weekend clinic for myself and then took my mother to walk in at 3rd and 122nd. Both were fine. Weekend clinic had long lines, but best organized thing I've ever seen. Plenty of monitors, intake people and nurses/doctors. Line was down the block, but took 40 minutes start to finish. Walk in took longer, but really not a problem. Weekend clinics won't vaccinate children under 4.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I went to teh clinic at 122nd and 3rd also bc they were taking 3 yr olds. I was a little annoyed that they ran out of the one for pregnant women so I couldn't even get it and after 2 hours of waiting the child in front of us got the last regular vaccination but luckily the y had the mist. I'm glad she was able to get something after that wait but we'll now have to go back in a month to get the booster.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i did it at 82nd and 2nd last weekend. think it is in different spot this weekend. very well organized but do not take kids under 4. took me about 45 min. at 3:30.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 10:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]that's great timing. it's in a different place? meaning it wasn't at an actual clinic?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 10:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR: The weekend clinics are at different sites each weekend. They are free. The other clinics are usually existing clinics and will charge an administration fee. Unless you have a child under 4, I think the weekend clinics are the way to go. I also was at the one at 82nd and 2nd, so don't know if others were as well run, tho.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Just saw on the news that a new swine flu vaccine has been approved and will start sh... 2 replies
Talk : : November 18, 2009
Just saw on the news that a new swine flu vaccine has been approved and will start shipping next month. It's the "FIFTH" swine flu vaccine approved. What are they talking about??? The FIFTH one??? Can someone shed some light on this. So confused.
2 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.18.09, 09:10 AM [ Flag ]different manufacturers
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]different companies are producing the vaccine. There are many other things being tested. Small biotechs are working on other methods of curing the flu.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] What are your thoughts on the whole mammogram controversy? Do you think the new recom... 22 replies
- like Obama claiming we are having a national emergency with swine flu so vaccine manufacturers could push through a vaccine without the proper trials. There are a lot of back room hand shakes and deals being made so...like Obama claiming we are having a national emergency with swine flu so vaccine manufacturers could push through a vaccine without the proper trials." This seems like the perfect place for tired one-liners. (And what punctuation was...
Talk : : November 18, 2009
What are your thoughts on the whole mammogram controversy? Do you think the new recommendations are politically motivated?
22 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.18.09, 07:28 AM [ Flag ]don't know the motivation, but I am disgusted. I personally know four women in their 40s who have had double mastectomies in the past year. My mom was originally dx at 49. None of these women would have had good outcomes if they waited until 50 for a mamo.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 07:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]And none of them had family history of cancer?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 07:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]2 no family histories, 2 I don't know. My mom, no family history.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 07:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Wow.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
All but 2 of the women I know(and am related to)did detect irregularities via self-examination and sought conclusive diagnoses and treatment. They're all alive.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]what is amazing is they are also advising against self exams...
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Yes. Just like Obama claiming we are having a national emergency with swine flu so vaccine manufacturers could push through a vaccine without the proper trials. There are a lot of back room hand shakes and deals being made so insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies roll over during this process of reform.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 07:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]How do you keep the tinfoil attached to the inside of your hat?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 07:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA! love it.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]While tired one-liners are a typical accent color on UB, your comment is devoid of either wit or puctuation. Do you simply want to see your post appear or is there a counter opinion to that poster's?Time to wake up Baby...
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]not the or, but that was a great one-liner and totally appropriate, given that the post she was responding to was a paranoid, ill-informed hijack and irrelevant to the mammogram conversation.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]So you expect a "discourse" with a poster who posts "Just like Obama claiming we are having a national emergency with swine flu so vaccine manufacturers could push through a vaccine without the proper trials." This seems like the perfect place for tired one-liners. (And what punctuation was missing?)
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Punctuation as in a point-some content beyond lame humor.Discourse? Did I request engagement? No.I noted that responder's choice to comment emptily.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oh, gotcha...
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^np: you sound as if english isn't your first language. this makes almost no sense.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Too bad we don't have a Republican president. Those kind, thoughtful Republicans are so much more apt to put the welfare of people over corporate profits.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's funny you should mention that. I was reminded of the campaign days, when Mrs McCain and Sarah Palin seemed to post here daily!
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i guess the or was getting all mavericky.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
indeed! And those kind, caring insurance companies--the idea of the evil government interfering with their tender mercies!...
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'm as suspicious of government and big business as you are, but your facts aren't straight. Swine flu is a pandemic, and there is NO EVIDENCE that there have not been proper trials. This has ZERO to do with the process of reform, which is absolutely tied to back room deals.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
As I understand it, if you did self-exam and found a lump, or if you had family history etc., you could still get one. IMO this is a plus--mine was a waste of time and money, and I could have told you that before I went!
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OMG, you ladies understand they are not BANNING mammograms for women under 50, right? They are just recommending that women not be SCREENED with mammograms until 50. If there is any indication that a mammogram is needed before then, it will be performed. But studies have shown that mammograms done on women with no risk factors under 40 do more harm than good (false positives, intervention when not needed, etc.). This is to improve health, and I personally am delighted--our early and often screening has been wasting money that would better go to other more useful procedures AND has been resulting in painful and disfiguring unneeded procedures for many women. Many operations are done on pre-cancerous lesions right now, with outcomes actually worse than if this was not being done.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] would you ever keep going to a clinic that schedule your kids a vaccination just to c... 9 replies
- Really terrible. Where did they send the vaccines back to.. No one would take them back anyway so these vaccines have been wasted. What a shame when so money people are looking for the H1N1...
- Jeez, you would think they could do a lottery or something. They probably did not store vaccines properly, ruined them, and are too embarrassed to admit....
Talk : : November 17, 2009
would you ever keep going to a clinic that schedule your kids a vaccination just to cancel the appointment later. the excuse is that there is not enough vaccine for everyone so they rather send back all they have and give it to no one, they call it equality. I guess in their book if people jumping of a sinking ship and there is not enough life boats for all of them, they rather see them all drowned rather then save the ones they can. If you like such clinic for your kids I have one to recommend for you.
9 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.17.09, 02:24 PM [ Flag ]no
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]they told you they sent it back, they gave it out to other kids.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ita
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ita
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 04:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
what clinic?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Funny, I justread something very similar on a website group tahtI belong to. Anyway it is a terrible decision from the clinic. I would never go again. (Is it TP?)
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 04:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Really terrible. Where did they send the vaccines back to.. No one would take them back anyway so these vaccines have been wasted. What a shame when so money people are looking for the H1N1
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 04:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no way
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 04:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Jeez, you would think they could do a lottery or something. They probably did not store vaccines properly, ruined them, and are too embarrassed to admit.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 04:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] WWYD: Every year we celebrate Thanksgiving with three other families (my parents fri... 13 replies
- my hesitation is b/c i'm the overly-cautious type like the poster above and will be anxious the whole time, but don't want to offend these people either. my 3yo is in preschool and indeed a "cesspool of germs" but she's been vaccinated against h1n1 and we've trained her to wash her hands all the time and especially before touching anything of the baby's....
Talk : : November 17, 2009
WWYD: Every year we celebrate Thanksgiving with three other families (my parents friends and the kids are all grown up with sig. others, so large group of adults). I have a 3yo and a 7 week old. Pediatrician said if we choose to go we shouldn't let anyone touch/hold the baby. These people are like family (and include my siblings) and will likely be insulted if we say no one can touch the baby; however, with Swine Flu going around, I don't want to take any chances. Would you (1) go and not let anyone touch baby (I can hold her in our Ergo carrier), (2) Go and allow people to touch her if they use Purell, or (3) not go and make up an excuse?
13 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.17.09, 10:19 AM [ Flag ]Go and ask people to wash their hands before touching her
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]true dat
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ditto
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Ditto on Purell, though you can't predict when someone will cough/sneeze. I'd put newborn in a sling and cover most of the face except to show her off briefly (even more protected than an Ergo). Or just don't go. But I'm the over-cautious type (even without swine flu, a fever at this age can land you in the ER getting a zillion awful tests).
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: i'm like you and overly-cautious. we use the infant insert with our ergo, so you can literally only see the top of her head or her profile if she's turned to the side.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
if your child isn't immune compromised, why wouldn't you just go? the 3 yo is likely to be waaay more dangerous to her than an adult.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]every 7-week-old is "immunocompromised." A 3 yo is indeed a cesspool of germs, but at least it's just one pool instead of 20.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: my hesitation is b/c i'm the overly-cautious type like the poster above and will be anxious the whole time, but don't want to offend these people either. my 3yo is in preschool and indeed a "cesspool of germs" but she's been vaccinated against h1n1 and we've trained her to wash her hands all the time and especially before touching anything of the baby's.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]meh. it's not like the kid is going from hand to hand. bring them to thanksgiving.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: everyone would want to hold her...even just the women would be 7 adults...
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 11:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I would make up an excuse and not go but I am admittedly neurotic.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Get a kangaroo korner or other pouch sling and keep the baby in that the whole time. People can't get to her in one of those.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Just go and hold her or ergo her and don't let people touch her. Lie if you have to. Say the pediatrician advised it based on what's going on with H1N1. People read the papers, they should get it. And if they don't, who cares, this is your baby's health. This is not a difficult thing to say to people. Good luck!
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 11:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Want some real life stories. For those that didn't get the h1n1 vaccine and came dow... 14 replies
- Well, based on people's experience I guess the risk associated with the vaccine outweighs the actual flu....
- What risk? I mean the flu has actual, demonstrated risk. What significant risks have been demonstrated for flu vaccine?...
Talk : : November 17, 2009
Want some real life stories. For those that didn't get the h1n1 vaccine and came down with the swine flu exactly how bad was the flu? Were you or your dc sick in bed for days? Super high fevers? Vomiting and diarrhea? Aches and pains? How many days before you felt 100% again? Did you take Tamiflu?
14 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.17.09, 08:51 AM [ Flag ]It was just like any other flu I had in my life.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 08:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh, and it took a week before I was able to go back to work and I did not take Tmaiflu.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 08:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I didn't get it myself, but I can give you my husband's story. He got it last winter. He was REALLY sick for a week and a half. Couldn't get out of bed sick. High fever, aches, pains, diarrhea, almost delirious for part of the time. Even after he got out of bed, recovery was REALLY slow. It took about three weeks for his energy to come back, the coughing to stop, etc. I guess the flu is never any fun, and I'm not sure whether this was worse or better than a normal strain would have been. But it was pretty terrible. No tamiflu.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 08:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: my dh just had it in October & almost the exact same story. After flu was gone, still coughing, tired and weak for 2 weeks following.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I thought H1N1 flu wasn't reported until the spring. I don't think it got to NYC before April.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]My bad! He must have had some other kind of flu. So let that just be a story about what the flu was like for him!
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Last winter? Your DH had some other flu. The epidemic started in the spring of this year.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
df's 15 mo just had it. 3 days of 103 fever, cranky, sleepy, etc. but she started getting better on day 4 and fine by day 7. another df (in his late 30's got it). no tamiflu. more like the poster above ... was REALLY sick for over a week. don't know if he got tamiflu.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 08:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]My children and I all had it--the older the child, the more severe it was for some reason. 5 year old: 1 day fever, lingering cough, no missed school (his fever was over the weekend). 8 year old: 3 days fever, 3 days off school, lingering cough, aches and pains. 11 year old: 4 days fever, lingering cough, aches and pains, 4 days off school. Me: 4 days fever, etc, still have cough and am fatigued a week later. We did not take tamiflu.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]All 3 kids got sick - fevers >103, headaches, vomiting,lasted about 4 days for each child. Husband and nanny got it too - seemed much milder for adults - That being said dear friends husband had a mild case and is very ill with pneumonia now.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well, based on people's experience I guess the risk associated with the vaccine outweighs the actual flu.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]What risk? I mean the flu has actual, demonstrated risk. What significant risks have been demonstrated for flu vaccine?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Friend's healthy 5 yr. old got it and went from only sick enough in the morning that she debated taking him to the doctor vs. school to intubated and airlifted to the ICU at a major hospital that night. He's now recovering and won't have lasting effects, but it was a very scary several days of serious illness.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Two kids had mild fevers for 2 days, a headache, then were done. One kid had a mild fever for 6 days, a lingering cough, and 24 hours of a high temp right in the middle of those 6 days. I have it right now- ugh. Cough and fever. It's a drag, but manageable given my lifestyle (SAHM,) and lack of other health issues. We didn't get Tamiflu partially because I didn't believe that my other kids could have it since it was so mild. I'm not sure I even have it, as it started with a mild sore throat and fatigue, and the fever didn't show up until 24 hours later, versus being hit by the proverbial bus.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Want some real life stories. For those that didn't get the h1ni vaccine and came dow... 2 replies
Talk : : November 17, 2009
Want some real life stories. For those that didn't get the h1ni vaccine and came down with the swine flu exactly how bad was the flu? Were you or you dc sick in bed for days? Super high fevers? Vomiting and diarrhea? Aches and pains? How many days before you felt 100% again? Did you take Tamiflu? Thanks.
2 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.17.09, 08:43 AM [ Flag ]intersting that there arent any responses to this post...
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it's because she already asked this, and got responses then.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 01:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Want some real life stories. For those that didn't get the h1ni vaccine and came dow...
Talk : : November 17, 2009
Want some real life stories. For those that didn't get the h1ni vaccine and came down with the swine flu exactly how bad was the flu? Were you or you dc sick in bed for days? Super high fevers? Vomiting and diarrhea? Aches and pains? How many days before you felt 100% again? Did you take Tamiflu? Thanks.
[ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.17.09, 08:43 AM [ Flag ]
[+] My husband want to get the H1N1 vaccine for my ds but I feel concerned about it...all... 30 replies
- for the H1N1. That said, my ped said she gave the vaccine to her kids, and suggested mine get it, too. Which he...disagree and had DC get both seasonal flu and H1N1 mist vaccine, and I had no hesitation in doing so....
- pretty straightforward: there have been NO adverse reactions to the vaccine, there have been many deaths/serious illnesses from the swine flu...
- my friend who is a dr made me promise to get myself and my children vaccinated, as did she...
Talk : : November 17, 2009
My husband want to get the H1N1 vaccine for my ds but I feel concerned about it...all my dr. friends are not giving it to their kids. Do they know something I don't? What are you all doing?
30 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.17.09, 08:29 AM [ Flag ]If I can find it, I'll get it.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 08:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ditto. swine flu is serious business.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 08:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]as serious as any other common flu strain
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 08:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]look at the amount of babies/small children that have died of h1n1 since april in comparison to the regular flu (REALLY, LOOK IT UP.) then run your mouth.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]look at how many babies and small children die from other flu strains. Dude, H1N1 is a flu. The body reacts to it. Everybody is different. The only disadvantage we have is that it is an entirely brand new strain (well, not quite but close enough) and if you get it you'll get sick, no way around it. Kids and small children will always get hit the hardest. That's not H1N1 specific, though.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]dude? wow. are you speaking from actual facts? If a person was interested in how lethal h1n1 is on babies (in comparison to regular flu, not compared to other people) they would look it up and see that, since april, h1n1 has taken the lives of DOUBLE the amount of the regular seasonal flues, through the WHOLE YEAR, combined. clearly, it's hitting much harder then regular flu. Dude.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The mortality rate of H1N1 is not higher than other flu strains. In absolute numbers, yes, you are right, more babies and small children have died. That doesn't make H1N1 more lethal, though. That is a fact.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]h1n1 may not be worse in general, but for babies, its surely worse and more lethal.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 06:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
The mortality rate of H1N1 is not any worse than any of the other flu strains. Yes, H1N1 seems to infect the younger folks more but that doesn't make H1N1 more lethal.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]That is false. More dcs are dying then by the reg flu.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 06:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
DH is a doctor - he thinks it is more important to wash your hands than to get the H1N1. He said very important to get standard flu shot though.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
we are not doing it but many of my friends are
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 08:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]we got it. all our dr friends got it for their kids :)
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 08:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]getting it for everyone in the family as soon as I can find it
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 08:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why not ask your Dr friends what they know?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 08:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]they're not talking!1
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 08:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't know why, but I think you are not telling the truth. I don't think you have even asked them. And I am sure they are getting the shots.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 08:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]They are not getting the shots and they said it was a personal choice. I don't know why your remark is so irksome, why go on an anonymous board and lie? I don't know why, but I think your comment reveals something about you.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
don't know a single doc who is against the vaccine. (absent some specific health condition). Their families are all getting the shot.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 08:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Our ped gave our kids the H1N1 shot at their well-visits.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 08:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]MDMom-gave it to my dc
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]are these doctors PhDs? Like with degrees in Art History or Linguistics? I know of no physician who has kids who is against the H1N1 vaccine. (Hell, I know of none who don't have kids who is against it but that is a different issue.)
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Never heard of an actual MD who treats patients who is anti-vax for the H1N1. That said, my ped said she gave the vaccine to her kids, and suggested mine get it, too. Which he did.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]we were ready, willing, and able to go to our ped/GP for shot, but they didn't have it. so we stood online at free clinic to get them. i'm glad we did but sad that we took someone else's free shots.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]My DH is an ER doc. Having seen the kids who got hit the hardest, he called in favors to get our DD the HINI vaccine.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]my friend who is a dr made me promise to get myself and my children vaccinated, as did she
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 04:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
A dad from our school said their pediatrician actually advised against it. Not sure why, I think he said it just wasn't that bad. Having said that, I disagree and had DC get both seasonal flu and H1N1 mist vaccine, and I had no hesitation in doing so.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i think some docs may be tryign to hold their limited amoutsn fro high risk kids.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i don't know why any doctor would not give it to their own children. you have to look at the actual arguments on each side, not just go by what other people do and their vague reasons. for me it was pretty straightforward: there have been NO adverse reactions to the vaccine, there have been many deaths/serious illnesses from the swine flu.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I am an MD and gave both kids flumist. There are shortages so a lot of docs are denying so people don't think they "pulled strings." HTH
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Anyone on here a Republican? If so, why? 177 replies
- Granma's hp replacement out of the goodness of their little hearts. Oh, and the latest crap about how Obama has "failed" to get flu vaccines out on time...as if it weren't private companies manufacturing the vaccine, not that I blame them either....
Talk : : November 16, 2009
Anyone on here a Republican? If so, why?
177 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.16.09, 07:03 PM [ Flag ]I'm a conservation, not a Republican.
[ Reply | Options ]11.16.09, 07:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^ conservative. (Baby on my lap; it's hard to concentrate. Sorry.)
[ Reply | Options ]11.16.09, 07:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: huh?
[ Reply | Options ]11.16.09, 07:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Fiscal policies, republican not social on views. However, I do think this president is awful and because of him our children will be holding the burden. very very sad. And if anyone says it was GWB who got us into this mess should consider themselves uneducated considering it was Clinton who created this mortgage fiasco....and the economy imploded
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well, it is important to remember that this mess was the brainchild of Phil Gramm, who pushed through, with enthusiastic support of the Republican majority legislature, the unraveling of the Glass-Steagall act. Clinton didn't come up with the idea, though I believe he bears some responsibility for signing it instead of vetoing it.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I am a liberation.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Libertarian who often votes Conservative
[ Reply | Options ]11.16.09, 07:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Libertarian as well. Have problems with both parties. The republican party is supposed to be the party of fiscal responsibility, but over the last few years they spend like drunken democrats. The democratic party has become a liberal parody of itself, totally abandoning its base, and its promises. Remember "transparency?" Remember Nancy Pelosi promising to put the full text of the Health reform bill on the internet 48 hours before the vote?
[ Reply | Options ]11.16.09, 07:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: Liberatarian as well - if Republicans are not going to be fiscally sound then they get no vote from me - in fact prefer to be Socialist
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 11:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I am a moderate republican. I typically am liberal concerning social issues and conservative regarding economic issues. We are middle class and taxed to death.
[ Reply | Options ]11.16.09, 07:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yup
[ Reply | Options ]11.16.09, 07:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i consider myself an independent who, in the last six months, has become dramatically more conservative. disgruntled about having voted for our bait-and-switch President.
[ Reply | Options ]11.16.09, 07:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ding! Ding! Ding!
[ Reply | Options ]11.16.09, 07:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]what exactly do you feel has been "bait and switched?" Seriously.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 11:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]crickets....
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 11:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Promises of a 'post-partisan presidency,' followed by the most hard-line left and progressive agenda this country has ever seen. I'm hardly alone in this. Obama's approval rating with independents is dropping like a stone - 7 percentage points last month alone.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 11:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]...not to mention the sinking feeling that all those people who decried his lack of experience were right. The man has the biggest Democratic majority in years and cannot seem to develop a coherent White House strategy and get Congress to implement it. I think he's out of his league and I'm upset I helped put him there.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 11:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]What's the "hard-line left agenda?" Seriously--I already have my disappointments too and I'm a lefty but I figure that's the price to pay for electing someone with such high expectations and idealism. I'd just love to hear what all of these "surprises" have been that Obama's pulled. And IMHO the GOP has sunk to new lows of pettiness, nastiness and well...poor sportsmanship for lack of a better word.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]The most popular Dem move of all - massive stimulus - that barely created any jobs as promised, the inevitable tax hike for a whole tier of the "95% of you who won't see your taxes go up a dime" due to the cost of healthcare, just to name a couple. i will admit to also just being fed up with him as a person - I want the guy I voted for, not this a$$hole who's up there seemingly talking down to 90% of America. I'm equally fed up with the Repubs, and agree with everything you said about their behavior.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]When my taxes actually go up, then I may agree with you on that point, but til then, it's just tired old GOP fear-mongering. In any case though, they're all taxes that we should have been paying to finance the wars--no one has ever cut taxes in wartime til GWB and now we're paying the price. Blaming Obama for a deficit that he didn't create is patently unfair.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think he was a Senator before this and GWB was balanced by a Democrat run Congress. You libs constantly forget this.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]wait--so you're holding him responsible for the deficit created in large part by Bush's war (which he was outspoken against) because he was a senator at the time? And was it or was it not Bush who cut taxes for the wealthy during wartime?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do you know how laws are passed? The Bush tax cuts were passed by a Democratic Congress. The Iraq war was approved by a Democratic Congress. Criticizing Bush is your prerogative, but please do it while pretending to have a slight grasp of Civics 101, and the not-so-distant past.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]wow, thanks, Mom. Still waiting to hear how Obama was responsible for all this, since if you watched nothing but FOX you'd assume that he brought the deficit with him as a house-warming present.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]erm...don't think Congress was Dem-controlled when we went to war. Check yer facts.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 04:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Erm? You check your facts. Besides, these wars are not the sole reason we are in a mess. Thank Carter, then Frank, dodd, etc... They all played a HUGE part.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 04:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL--Carter? You're blaming Carter now? And yeah--you might want to check that again. Dems didn't regain control of congress until 2006.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 05:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I don't think the GOP has done anything worse than what the libs did to Bush. Does anyone remember the movie that "assassinated" him, there was a play about him, etc...
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL--please find the mainstream media outlet that gave voice and credence to people comparing Bush to Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and other murderous dictators, or elected officials saying or implying that he was un-American, un-patriotic, a liar, a Communist, etc.. Seriously--there is no comparison.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]msnbc,cnn, showing protestors, etc...
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]um..."showing protestors?" Heavens forbid!! What on earth are you talking about? I'm not talking about news coverage (and there was minimal coverage of war protestors compared to FOX's lovefest with the teabaggers and their wild inflation of the numbers--claiming millions when the crowds were estimated at 70K). Seriously--when did a newscaster, a talk show host, or even a guest on any of these shows say anything comparable about Bush? I can't wait to hear...
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 04:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do you watch tv? Try every Sunday morning show.... Still the left bashes Bush everytime they are backed into a corner. It's your mo. Move on it's getting old.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 04:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oh yeah--those lefties like George Will and David Brooks and Bill Safire (RIP) on all those--sib!--Sunday morning shows. Somehow I must've missed all of those Sundays when they were comparing Bush to Mussolini...
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 05:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]um--you guys brought up Bush, not me--how mean we libs were to him, etc...
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
How about sneaking in the bill that federal jobs go to unions. Unions are crippling this country. There used to be a need for them, now they are way to corrupt. Obama's whole administration can't seem to pay there taxes, have shifty ties to lobbyists, etc... This from the guy who talked about "changing" the whole good ole boy network. Yeah, right. What has he done that is good? That's my question. He is an embarrassment to this country. Who gives the Queen of England an ipod with his speeches? Really?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Amen!! He is a joke, but I am not laughing.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Likewise. Gay marriage? Yes please. Social services for the poor? Yes please.
[ Reply | Options ]11.16.09, 07:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]but are you willing to pay taxes for the public services you want. Saying you want lower taxes without cutting services or wanting to cut services you don't use just makes you an economic meathead.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]don't try talking sense to her. and pls ask her how, if we really want to clamp down on the deficit, will we wrap up these two wars? Which of course, far out spend any health care reform.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oh yes, keep that liberal mind of yours open and tolerant of other opinions.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You called me a liberal. I never stated my party. Fool.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Well, while I am all for rights I do feel that we subsidize WAAAAAAAAAAAY too many people. I do not want so many social services. Not interested in socialism, thank you.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]We subsize big industries WAAAAAAAAAAAY more than we do poor people. Does that bother you too, or is it just the folks getting wellie cheese that bug you?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 11:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]crickets, yet again. wow. where are the really well informed conservatives???
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 11:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: she said she thinks we subsidize too many people. you countered with a comment about subsidizing big industry. she is entitled to her view regarding subsidies for individuals and social services, and it's not inconsistent with her supporting subsidies for industry. But to you she's not "well-informed" enough. The answer to your question is the well-informed conservatives don't waste their breath getting into arguments with liberals who are always looking for an excuse to discount conservatives' reasoning and intellects instead of engaging on the issues.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 11:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]man--that is a weak, weak response. And actually there are two different posters here, so you're getting scrambled. I asked WAAAAAAY whether it was just subsidizing the poor, disabled, elderly, etc. that bugged her and I heard nothing...but now you're popping up and letting me know that well-informed conservatives just don't want to waste their time arguing with the likes of me? So--you let the extremist windbags, imbeciles and haters take the stage on your behalf while you sit out and have a cigarette? Maybe that's why your party in in the sh*tter.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Go ahead and assume the Republican party's in the sh*tter, and see what happens in 2010. Let me guess where you grew up - somewhere in the Northeast or some sort of insular UMC environment where you had canned "diverse" experiences that you think permit you to assume you're more cultured and aware than the right. You're welcome to your caricatured view of conservatives, but the nutjobs shouting on the Capitol steps are outliers, and they do not account for the vast number of smart, deep-thinking people who simply have a healthy suspicion of big govt. In focusing entirely on the Michelle Bachmann loonies, you're missing the fact that in the rest of the country, plenty of people who were moderates are prepared to vote Republican, because all they see is that half the people on their block are out of work.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL--glad we agree that it's the nut jobs who are running your party. If you so-called "deep-thinking" conservatives had any balls, intelligence or ideas, you'd run them out of town. Instead they're running the show and you should be truly embarrassed to count yourself among them OR to have let them hijack your party. Also--please keep telling yourself that only Republicans live in the "real world." From what I've seen the past few years, it's the left that has their ideas planted in reality and the GOP that's rushed off to war based on revenge fantasies, lies and foolish conjecture and now spends most of its time creating conspiracy theories about whether Obama was born in Kenya or how Obamacare's going to kill Grandma. If you really have something better to offer, now's the time to dish it up.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]where is the rest of your response? also, with respect to the many "your party" references - i'd simply note that nowhere have i stated that I am a Republican. On the contrary - I am a moderate, independent, former Obama supporter prepared to vote straight-ticket Republican in 2010 and 2012. Oh, and before you stereotype me, I'm a highly-educated litigator living in Manhattan. Voters like me are exactly why the Dems should be scared - they no longer have a lock on who they think their "base" is. No revenge fantasies, lies and foolish conjecture swayed me -- just took a realistic look at where our country is headed.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Whatever--keep calling yourself a "moderate" "independent"...blah blah blah. Makes it easier to disavow any responsibility for anything, doesn't it? I really can't see how anything that Obama has done since you allegedly voted for him surprises you--did you have issues with GWB bailing out the banks, or you just don't like it when Obama does it? What vision of "where our country is headed" captivated you a scant year ago and has now shattered? Are you just bummed out that he didn't manage to fix the world economy within eleven months? Yeah--what an a-hole, right?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]BRAVA!!! Great reply. ANd she did not vote for O.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Yeah b/c Pelosi, Frank, and Jefferson (oops he's going to jail) are such winners. Also, those wars you keep jabbering about? Democrats controlled Congress and voted to go - so come back when you are more informed.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do you get your ideas from Maddow and Olberman? Democrats were the ones that voted for these wars!!
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
(contd) all they see is that a third of the people on their block are out of work.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sorry that I am too busy to sit by the computer waiting for the first pseudo-tolerant blindly Democratic poster to respond.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I miss them--I really do. I feel as if there's no intellectual weight or leaning in the party anymore--it's all playing to the lowest common denominator. Ugh.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Working to pay for the poor.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]HAHAHA. Best post ever. I did notice an increase in conservative responders after quitting time.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL. So true
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 06:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Exactly. I have known so many poor people who were poor because of their own lack of ambition. I hate to think I'm subsiding them in any way shape or form.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 04:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You have known "so many poor people"? Why don't I believe you, somehow?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 04:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
They are subsidized so people have jobs. I guess that point is lost on you.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
The question to which I responded was regarding social services. I agree. The big industry stuff is out of control too.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Are you serious? Who is going to provide the jobs in your world? Not the people standing in line waiting for the govt. to take care of them. We really need to switch to the Fair Tax plan. If we had a sales tax on consumption, everyone would have to pay. Equally. Then the big industries as you say would stay in the country and not leave ( or hide their money offshore). The govt. would still get all the money for their programs but the taxpayers would see what pennies on the dollar goes to which program.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]We actually don't. The big industries are the ones who create jobs. Not the people waiting for the govt. to take care of them. We need to be more friendly towards corporations or they will all leave and go to other countries more friendly. Then how will we pay for the poor?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
In what form? The form of, say, public schools? Do you think people should have to pay direct cash instead of taxes for their children to attend school, and if you're poor, those kids are SOL? Sounds like a third-world country to me.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
heard about people like you, you want to enjoy it all without the cost, you are a republican!!!!
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]hardly! people like you either a) enjoy huge sums of money and have no sense how difficult it is to get by in this world on a middle class income or b) expect others to provide everything for you.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 05:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^ I am guess you are a) since you seem to know how to spell and are somewhat witty. Please confirm after you finish shopping for your new Hermes bag while your nanny raises your 1 yr old and your 3 year old enjoys attending a $20k/yr preschool.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 05:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]said 3 y.o. was a legacy at preschool.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]So when you fly, do you keep your nanny up in First Class with you or do you make her sit Coach?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 06:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Yes I am but don't admire many of the republican party members. I admire the philosophy which gets lost sometimes.
[ Reply | Options ]11.16.09, 07:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
As our HHI climbs ever higher, I'm thinking about switching. I really don't give a damn about Hoi Polloi and I'd like to see my taxes go down.
[ Reply | Options ]11.16.09, 07:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I feel exactly the same way.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you guys are gross
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]why? because we dont pretend to vote on social issues but actually care about what is best for our families?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, because you seem to be unable to see past your own selfish interests. It's just depressing. Not to mention, increasing the divide between the wealthy and what you call the "hoi polloi" (which includes, presumably, the policemen and firefighters who protect your house, the teacher who educates your kids, the guy who makes your triple latte in the morning) is just unhealthy--this is what leads to social unrest and revolutions. No point trying to isolate yourself from the rest of society.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]what does it have to do with isolation? btw I am not the one who referred to baristas (et al) as "hoi polloi." there are two posters here. I was only agreeing with hating to see my taxes increase. what does that have to do with social unrest? I am not pretentious, I just hate paying 50% of what I make into big govt which I firmly dont believe in.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]so what do you believe in. Big gov't is really just code for TWO BIG EXPENSIVE WARS. We could change health crae, education and have a major push on public works/infrastructure for LESS than the wars. Your thinking is so narrow. And assuming you fume over your income/property tax sitch, your issue is state and local, not fed.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]thank you! I do NOT understand why spending hundreds of millions a day on two wars of choice doesn't seem to count against the GOP ledger, while God forbid we offer lower-cost health care to working American citizens. Or why Michele Bachmann and her loathsome ilk weren't out protesting when they passed the prescription drug benefit. GWB increased the size of the gov't considerably and I don't remember GOP'ers out marching with signs calling him a Nazi-Socialist...
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]oR: It's simple. GWB, passed everything under the cover of darkness ( two wars) and the Rx bill helps mostly the senior population, who votes largely right wing. Also, the right only fears socialism if it benefits the poor or immigrants. They LOVE SS and medicare. That brand of socialism makes them wet their pants with joy.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The GOP didn't create SS - dems did. Most younger Republicans don't want SS or medicare. It's the old people that have payed into it for so long.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]GWB did not pass things under the cover of darkness. The dems controlled congress for the last four years of his term - you guys voted for this war.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]who is "you guys?" And check your records--Dem's did not control Congress in 2003.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 04:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I love this type of MSNBC endorsed b*llsh(*t! congress has been democrtically controlled for the past 5 freaken years. nothing was passed under a "cover of darkess." review voting records, get your facts straight. YOU GUYS (DEMOCRATS!!!) voted for the war. and being a republican doesnt necessarily = being pro iraq. stop making it like that is the ONNNNNLY issue on the menu .
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]um--YOU check the voting records. Not as straightforward as you'd like to believe. Are you really claiming that there wasn't a strong bi-partisan element, not to mention that it was GWB and his lying, conspiring conies who provided the false evidence that led them to that vote? And God knows, it's NOT the only issue on the table, but it's one we'll be paying for forever in mroe ways than one.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 04:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I very consciously didn't say "the Hoi Polloi" because that's incorrect. It's simply "Hoi Polloi" as "hoi" means "the" in Greek.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
In other words, "I want what's best for ME ME ME and fuck everyone else." If that's how you feel, go buy a goddamn island and live on it alone.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yep. Especially since most of the great unwashed vote against their own interests anyway-- Republicans would never get elected if more of the lower class would actually vote for their own economic interests instead of becoming hopelessly distracted by non-issues like preventing the gays from getting married. They, as a bloc, disgust me so fuck them.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 04:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You disgust me. Who actually uses phrases like "the great unwashed"?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 04:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
so i guess social issues have nothing to do with your family. i guess this is the admirable republican philosophy.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I have a gay brother who also votes republican based on his fiances. When he gets married, he'll do it in one of the states where it's legal. We both think that the idiot mouthbreathers will die off in a generation or two and gays will get equal rights no matter what our party affiliation is.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 04:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Wow--that's a great philosophy. Vote for the people who loathe and despise you because it's financially convenient but let those lefty suckers fight for your rights in some other state. Pathologically selfish, lazy and morally bankrupt. Please don't move to my state (where gay marriage is legal, thanks to a lot of courageous gay people and thousands of empathetic people who support them).
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 05:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
so you want to turn USA into a banana republic? where taxes are low, public services non-existent and the rich are afraid to leave their fortresses w/o armed guards.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, but I do think there is a balance between socialism [aka where we seem to be headed] and a banana republic.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you're ignorance is laughable. How much of our budget is spent on defense? Do you know?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]maybe the worst sentence ever in which to have a typo. try "your ignorance is laughable."
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]a typo does not = ignorance. Why not just answer the question?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
You're ignorant. The majority of the federal government's spending is already on social services -- Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. Basically, the U.S. government can be understood, to a first approximation, as a giant pension fund with a side-line in defense and homeland security. Everything else is almost a rounding error.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]WRONG!!!! 60% of the budget is allocated and spent on defense. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. THIS IS NOT A LEFT?RIGHT ISSUE. IT'S A FACT. Dimwit.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Right. Idiot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_United_States_federal_budget
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's 36% plus 18% entitlements. Pls stop with the wikipedia non facts.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 01:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Whose not providing facts here? How about this, straight from those lying liars at the U.S. Census Bureau -- table 453, "Federal Budget Outlays By Type", is probably most useful:
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 01:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Nice try, shit-stirrer.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Make that 3 Libertarians! I tend to vote Republican. I think the government should stay out of people's lives. However, the Republican party has sold out to the "moral majority." Even though I vote Republican, someone else's marital partner, choice to have an abortion, or "family values" is not my business, and so I break from the party here.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I guess Id call myself a libertarian if I reallythought about it. But have always voted republican. definitely a right wing conservative when it comes to economic issues, but find myself more middle of the fence on some social issues. thing is tough, when it comes down to the wire...$ talks....and I am first and foremost concerned with what will be best for me and my immediate family. social issues notwithstanding.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]What's best for your family in terms of money-right? Do don't give a shit about the country's moral compass and big picture issues. Just let your kids deal with it when they grow up and you're dead? Is that it?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yup. exactly.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]It never ceases to amaze me how openly selfish and stupid some economic conservatives are. It always comes down to, "But that isn't what's best FOR ME." Total tunnel vision, like a society where poor people are dying of swine flu and TB because they can't afford treatment is best for anyone. And not to mention that they bitch about illegal immigrants "taking tax dollars away" but then employ them as nannies and gardeners.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Fine, where do you draw the line? How much should someone be taxed to pay for other people's healthcare?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]just enough so when you or your DH lose your insurance your and your family are left standing in the wind hugging your heart disease, diabetes or worse. ass wipe.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Apparently you are afraid to answer the question. Nice.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm so very afraid. I believe that in the US, the great country on the planet - ALL citizens should have health care. And, I believinstead of paying for wars we shouldn't be in, we should pay for superior public education, superior health care.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 01:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Still waiting for that answer...
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 01:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Obviously, you lack reading comprehsion. She told what where to draw the line. When everybody is covered and can afford ins. Are you happy to be obtuse or are you dim?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 01:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, she is not answering the question. Let me state it more precisely -- how high are you willing to raise marginal tax rates to accomplish that goal. Are you afraid to use a number?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 01:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You know, different people are responding to you, genius, it's not a private conversation. I think it's reasonable to tax wealthy people at up to 50% of their income, actually. I do. Call me a Commie. You still have plenty more disposable income than the rest of the country, what more do you f*cking want?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Umm, that was the kind of answer I was curious about. Taking half of everything someone earns sounds a little unfair to me, but YMMV. I do not believe that will be enough to fund the kinds of health programs people are talking about here.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
was more liberal until it came to healthcare-- you get what you pay for. if you don't compensate doctors you will attract less capable people into the profession. i also dont know of any patients being turned away from any hospital that i have worked at. so when you need to see a specialist and are told you need to wait 6 months to get in- lets see what you think about the new system
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Did you see Keith Olbermann last night and all of the people who came to the free clinic they held in New Orleans. It was kind of jaw-dropping. And before anyone starts screaming about welfare, 83% of the people who came had jobs, just no health coverage. They had to take 4 people directly to the hospital, discovered tons of high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. It was so depressing. So I'd still love to hear any reasonable solution to this problem from the people cursing Obamacare.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Keith Olbermann has as blatant of a leftist agenda as Fox does for the right. That free clinic coverage is his show's equivalent of town hall coverage - it may be true, but each network will blow it out of proportion to fit into their preconceived narratives.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: but there's no question there are a lot ofuninsired people out there and even without any legislative action premiums are going to go way up. so fine, hate the existing proposals -- but what is an alternative?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes, I understand that, though I do believe that Olbermann usually sticks to facts and does not make outlandish ad hominem attacks (or inflate the numbers at an event from 70,000 to over 1,000,000, for example). I'm just saying--given how many working people in this country cannot afford decent health care, what is the right's solution except to call Obama a Socialist/Communist/baby-killing/grandma-exterminating Kenyan terrorist?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 09:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Olbermann is a jackass and his personal life is testament to that. oh by the way, he like his party does not stick to facts--like the new economic term they invented, saved jobs. he is a pig!
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL! I will put up Keith Olbermann's personal life against that of Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, or Rush Limbaugh ANY DAY. You're really walking on pretty thin ice there.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ha. which party sticks to the facts? Please enlighten me? Seriously. I would like to hear what you have to say.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR (to the "did you watch Olbermann" post): whoever this crazy is who hijacked this starting with "Olbermann is a jackass" is not me! use NP people!
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ita--it's gotten to hard to tell which post is responding to which...
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 11:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
NP: I was a big proponent of the Wyden Amendment, which would have allowed those of us who get insurance from our employers to shop on the insurance exchange, too. So a young and relatively healthy person can get a cheaper plan that makes sense for them, an older person can get more robust coverage. most importantly, health care insurance companies cannot count on having millions upon millions of guaranteed and generally captive customers via the employer-based system. I think something like this, coupled with a mandate/subsidies and a set of regulations that prohibit the bullsh*t denials of coverage and games insurance companies now play would do a lot of good. imo, Congressional leadership and the Pres are just too far left to see the good that unleashing some properly regulated market forces and incentives might do here.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]...good that unleashing some properly regulated market forces and incentives might do here.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'll tell you why I have a problem with it-- a) because we cannot afford it b) the government SUCKS at managing healthcare-get medicade right and leave medicade alone 3)someone has to pay for it--meaning us-meaning my nice benefit of having a job will go right out the window and I will likely have to PAY 15-20k out of pocket for obamacare 4) I don't believe medicine should be a for profit business-and once obama taxes the medical establishment they will pass those costs right down to the consumer..ME--so it really isn't OBAMA CARE--it is I am Paying for your ass CARE
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^and fwiw I think it is a national tragedy that we cannot provide healthcare for our citizens--but this isn't the way to do it
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]but do you have any idea how we can?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i do--i think we should give medical students a break on their tuitions or do something like teach for America and have new young doctors man some clinics and I think drug companies and medical companies can help fund this mess and I am ALL FOR a sin tax -at least it is a start
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you MUST gives med students a break. you can't justify $100k plus in tuition if you are goinng to come out of training making $65k (that's after 4 yrs med school and a minimum of 4 yrs of residency)
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]then dont go, honey. I am well aware that I may not make as much as my predecessors going into this. I am NOT gunning for neurosurgery. I want to be an internist because I love medicine. and if I make 90K post taxes rather than 160k, the so be it. (and ps, I am a republican too!). but what IS your point? society owes "us" free tuition because we work so hard in school? if you feel that way, then go the MSTP route. that is free.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sorry--I don't know any doctors that make $65K post-residency. Sure they work their *sses off, but they're all doing very well.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]welcome to obamacare. where we are all on ourway to being government employees servingthe common good, in primary care for salaries of70k/yr! i am thrilled!
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]So why does the AMA support the health care bill AND a public option?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 05:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
What are you talking about when you say "the government SUCKS at managing healthcare." The most efficient purchaser of medical care in the world is the US government. You can argue against their practices. You can complain about the process. But there is no rational argument that they don't manage paying for Medicare well.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]billions in fraud? really? Oh and not to mention that the washington elite are exempt from obama care because they have their nice federally funded healthcare that won't be touched
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think any fraud is unacceptable and I would love to see tighter control on payments. But we are talking about an almost $500B program. Do you really think Kaiser or Aetna or HIP are getting more dollars into patient care than the Medicare system? NFW!
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
and our seniors have pretty good health outcomes as compared to other coutries. unlike everyone else.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]now they do yes--but how do you think they are going to pay for obama care--they are going to take from the one program that protects our seniors
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: What is wrong with that? If my 102 year old grandmother not getting the top of the line new hip means that my cousin gets routine health care, I'm cool with that. And you know what, my grandmother ought to be, too.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL--I agree. Why should all the money go to Grandpa's Viagra?
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITTTA, but this is lost on the vast majority of ppl. Everyone is so lazy to find out the facts. Like my dad telling me, what happens if he needs an organ transplant? Well - in NY state, the wait for a kidney is 7 effing years!!! We are worse off in so many ways than the places we claim to hate ( canada, UK, France) The last time I wentto my GP, there we're 20 ppl in the waiting room. And he is a very well respected MD in effing Scarsdale! Come on ppl. Wake up!
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 11:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL--true! I just love the whole "government death panel" and "rationing" thing, like Aetna or Kaiser Permanente is really just dying to cover Granma's hp replacement out of the goodness of their little hearts. Oh, and the latest crap about how Obama has "failed" to get flu vaccines out on time...as if it weren't private companies manufacturing the vaccine, not that I blame them either.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 11:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]or: forget grandma. My 50 year old, breast cancer survivor cousin has aggressive cervical cancer. Her insurance is delaying her approval. WTF is wrong with this country???? Oh, and while we're at it. Crush edu. spending and by all means let's pay for a few more years of these wars - to save face. Then, when the vets get home. Deny them benefits. Wait for them to go psycho from PTSD, and complain they are homelss, their families are on welfare and eff them and their substance abuse.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 11:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]preach it, sister. I'm one of those "healthy, young people" who ended up getting sick with a chronic illness that keeps me from even being able to buy life insurance. Thank God I have a decent job and live in a state where you can't discriminate against pre-existing conditions, otherwise I might as well be dead. And yes--agreed on the vets, and hey--why spend $$$ on public schools when lobbyists are working so hard to build more (privately run) jails to house all of those drop-outs AND to change sentencing requirements to ensure a constant supply of new jailbirds? It's the American way!
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think you are missing the really nefarious part of this... what they do is so completely fuck the Vets vis-a-vis mental health care that the Vets self medicate. This then allows the chicken hawk douchebags to ignore them because they are junkies.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]punish the insurance companies-- not the doctors!!
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]but come on--if those vets had any kind of intelligence they would've gotten six deferments like certain VPs we know...and then they could be war profiteers and not junkies! Silly rabbit...
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: I actually think that was her point.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]His point. I think you and the poster above both have the same POV. (As do I.) I'm thining of Al Franken's book right now...
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
thank you--well said.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 10:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Medicare is great for its beneficiaries. The problem is we can't actually afford it, and I've got a problem sticking our grandchildren with the bill.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
it's Medicaid, btw, not Medicade--it's not a beverage. And Medicaid is different from Medicare. But then again, reading the rest of your nonsensical post, I'm not surprised that you're a little foggy.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 11:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]oops--I made a mistake--feel better now? Get a life
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL--trust me, your whole post is idiotic. You don't believe in for-profit health care? What do you think--the insurance companies and hospitals all operate out of sheer love until the nasty ol' government comes along and ruins everything? And yeah--check back in when you're actually paying "$15-20K out of pocket" for health care. The thing is,you probably believe all this crap and yet think global warming issome kind of hoax invented by Al Gore. Again--this is why your party has become a laughingstock. Good luck with Palin 2012!
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]and you will see how your one term president will do--i never said I was a republican btw
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh yeah, that's right--you're all "independents"now, meaning you can dodge responsibility for anything that the GOP did and now spend all your time whining and sh*tting all over Obama. Nice. Why don't you and Joe Lieberman go get a cup of coffee? I'm sure he could use some company, now that he's betrayed everything he ever pretended to stand for.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 01:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
You're basically making GWB's argument against health care reform ("we don't need it, people can always go to the emergency room"), which should be a big clue you're on the wrong track.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 11:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
you are all so stupid--do you really believe after every administration has failed to put forth a responsible health care program, Pelosi and Obama are going to be the ones who do it successfully? take your blinders off
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why should I say yes? So you can throw stones at me.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no kidding.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 12:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I don't know why anyone would have a political disagreement on a forum like UB but I'm a conservative Republican and you probably have more in common with me on the issues than you do with Barack Obama. (I'm for gay marriage, for example, from a conservative perspective--marriage is good for society, in all its forms). But few of you would listen to me past the word Republican. Total knee-jerk reaction to the word.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 02:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]well-said. i'm convinced the poster is also the card-carrying liberal fanatic who's been shooting down all the ideas expressed in the posts.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Point taken. I've actually always been boggled why "conservatives" don't support gay marriage for exactly that reason--isn't marriage a fundamentally conservative institution? But why do so many of the so-called Republicans here shy away from their party or say "oh, I'm a conservative/ Independent/ Libertarian" and "I hated Bush too" etc. I understand not loving the way party politics works in this country--I'm not a yellow dog Dem by any means, but if you all feel as if your party is being run by a bunchof hysterical loons who are betraying the fundamentals of conservatism, then why aren't you doing something about it? And yes, when Dems voted for the war (encouraged, btw, by false info and the "you're with us or you're against us" mentality) I was pissed, wrote letters, made phone calls and supported the few dissenters.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 03:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]How do you know the "so-called Republicans" aren't doing anything about it? Because it isn't sensational enough to be covered by the media or they haven't annointed a candidate for 2012 yet? No serious Presidential candidate ever emerges this far in advance of a race, and much is being done by serious, sane Republican leaders at the state and local level. The recent governors' races in NJ and VA attest to that. I assure you that right now there are forward-thinking, mature, smart Republican leaders devising the very strategies that are going to knock the Democratic majority into oblivion next year. Lindsey Graham, Haley Barbour - these names ring a bell? You probably have never stopped to listen to them because you assume they're stupid because of the way they talk. The Republican party is not wanting for leadership, but I'd imagine it's content to have the Dems think that it is, for the time being. Don't underestimate them. Any ardent Obama supporter should know better than to dismiss a campaign that some deem a long shot.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 04:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]stupid because of the way they talk. The Republican party is not suffering the leadership void the media would have you believe it is. Besides, any ardent Obama supporter should know better than to underestimate what some people may deem a long-shot.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 04:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm the admitted conservative Republican above. The truth is, these things work in cycles. In 2001, I actually wrote about how my friends were "liberal", "socialist", "leftist", "progressive" but not a Democrat among them. Because Democrats didn't stand for anything back then (let's remember, Bush had overwhelming support from Democrats for Iraq, Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, Medicare reform, etc.). People don't like when their chosen party stands for nothing. I think a lot of conservatives and libertarians don't identify as Republicans because Republicans aren't preaching the messages they want to hear. We're for reducing the size of government so how can we be Republicans with a straight face with the way Bush grew govt. and Republican congressmembers voting for all the bailouts. I still consider myself a Republican, only for ease, only because the Democrats represent my opinions even less.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
If you're 20 and not a liberal you have no heart. But if you're 40 and not a conservative you have no brain. Is that enough of a reason. BTW, I didn't like W. I did like Reagan. If the Republicans bring up a candidate like him in 2012, Obama will be No-bama. For all the Libs that think Iraq was a W. only event, for the record, the two democratic senators and my democratic congressman (Nadler) voted for that horribly misguided policy.
[ Reply | Options ]11.17.09, 05:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Important to remember that the Congress was actively misled, thus Democrats supported the war.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I love how that idiot Bush and his gang of morons was able to mislead the geniuses in Congress (the Senate was controlled by the Democrats at the time). How does that work, exactly? And if he really meant to "mislead" about WMD in Iraq, how hard would it be to just plant them? And finally, if Iraq never had WMD, how did they use them on the Kurds in the north following the first Gulf War?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 02:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] i'm pretty sure that i had the swine flu about 6 months ago (doc thinks so too). do ... 1 reply
Talk : : November 16, 2009
i'm pretty sure that i had the swine flu about 6 months ago (doc thinks so too). do you think it would be a huge hassle to find out if, in fact, i had it...so that i don't have to get the vaccine?
1 reply [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.16.09, 01:49 PM [ Flag ]Just don't get the vaccine. No one is going to make you. Good luck finding anyone who still has it, anyway.
[ Reply | Options ]11.16.09, 01:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] 15w+6d pregnant. Got N1H1 vaccine. Is it safe for the baby considering early gestatio... 3 replies
- Honestly, what kind of an answer are you looking for here. It's a new vaccine, so no one is going to be able to give you a 100% guarantee of safety. H1N1 itself can be problematic for pregnant women, so you are betting the odds....
Talk : : November 16, 2009
15w+6d pregnant. Got N1H1 vaccine. Is it safe for the baby considering early gestational age?
3 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.16.09, 05:03 AM [ Flag ]i got the regular flu shot at my ob's office at that time so she would say its fine.
[ Reply | Options ]11.16.09, 05:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Honestly, what kind of an answer are you looking for here. It's a new vaccine, so no one is going to be able to give you a 100% guarantee of safety. H1N1 itself can be problematic for pregnant women, so you are betting the odds.
[ Reply | Options ]11.16.09, 05:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Seems like this should have been a question asked earlier...
[ Reply | Options ]11.16.09, 05:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Quick poll: If your dcs got the flu vaccine at PS290 this weekend, what time did you ... 4 replies
Talk : : November 15, 2009
Quick poll: If your dcs got the flu vaccine at PS290 this weekend, what time did you go and how long was your wait? Thanks.
4 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.15.09, 05:15 PM [ Flag ]hasn't this been posted a zillion times already? why do you care?
[ Reply | Options ]11.15.09, 05:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Went at 1:15, waited less than 40 minutes all in (including the 10 minute they make you wait afterward)
[ Reply | Options ]11.15.09, 05:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]sent dc to pubic school. didn't wait one minute. you're welcome.
[ Reply | Options ]11.15.09, 05:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no. dc got it at our ped. no wait.
[ Reply | Options ]11.15.09, 05:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Anyone go to PS 290 for flu vaccines today? How was it? Thx.
Talk : : November 15, 2009
[+] I am 30 weeks pregnant. I think i may have h1n1 (got vaccination on past monday, but... 7 replies
Talk : : November 14, 2009
I am 30 weeks pregnant. I think i may have h1n1 (got vaccination on past monday, but thinks it takes a little while to kick in). I called ob and got doctor on call (not my ob), who immediately suggested Tamiflu. He did not ask a lot of questions, but recommended Tamiflu without any hesitation. any thoughts???
7 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.14.09, 03:11 PM [ Flag ]jeez, i don't know, but i am sorry that you are going through this.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 03:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]my MIL had a rough response to Tamiflu.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 03:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^this is to say i'd have anotther conversation with md about it. what's worse - the flu or a possible adverse reaction to it while pg? good luck. i had full on stomach virus at 20 weeks. talk about miserable.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 03:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
friends in the uk had to take it. apparently it only shortens the flu by 1 day. also, the side effects are pretty severe (diarrhea and vomiting).
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 04:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]but the flu and h1n1 are completely different animals, aren't they?
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 04:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
fwiw - i took tamiflu twice when pregnant the second time (h1n1 not even on the horizon as we knew it) at the recommendation of a high risk ob (first child was a micro preemie). dc was born at 41 weeks, almost 10 pounds and perfect 10 on apgar. i think the point right now is to keep you as far from the brink of h1n1 hell as possible. good luck and i hope you feel better soon.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 04:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Take the tamiflu immediately. You don't want to take any chances.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 04:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Those of you who went to the flu clinic today: Were you able to get the shot or just ... 9 replies
- We spent 4 hours (staffing shortage) at an H1N1 fast-track (ha!) clinic in Brooklyn. Both my dcs (2.5 and 5) were vaccinated (shot and mist, respectively), along with my dh (over 24, not high risk). I already got mine at work, but our ped did not have it and plus my dh wanted it. Not fun, but worth it now that it's over. Not sure if we'...
Talk : : November 14, 2009
Those of you who went to the flu clinic today: Were you able to get the shot or just your dc? ie Are they only giving it to "high risk" or regular old adults as well?
9 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.14.09, 01:25 PM [ Flag ]They are giving to adults ages 25-64 who have some specific health conditions - kidney disease, asthma, cardiac problems, lung problems, a few other things like that.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 01:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]How do they know? Do they ask for proof?
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 02:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]This was at PS 290 and they did not ask for any proof.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 05:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
They were not strict at all. pretty much anyone over 4yo was given it. You could list a heealth condition, but no proof was required. I did not have a health issue, and they encouraged me to get it anyway.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 03:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]how long was the line? and where did you go and what time? thinking of going to ps 290 tomorrow but thinking it might be a madhouse?
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 03:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]DH and DC went there today. Got there abaout 10ish. Line went out door, round corner, past Big Daddies. They stood in line about 90 mins., but apparently all in line were quite cheerful and friendly, and kids even had fun playing together. DS got shot, and now has to go get another one somewhere in Dec.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 03:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]At PS290 today - from 1:50 arrival and done by 2:45, so less than one hour. Very pleasant, efficient experience.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 05:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
We spent 4 hours (staffing shortage) at an H1N1 fast-track (ha!) clinic in Brooklyn. Both my dcs (2.5 and 5) were vaccinated (shot and mist, respectively), along with my dh (over 24, not high risk). I already got mine at work, but our ped did not have it and plus my dh wanted it. Not fun, but worth it now that it's over. Not sure if we'll return for the 2nd dose for dcs though...
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 03:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]which one did you go to?
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 05:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] If my dc had the swine flu back in the spring does he still need the vaccine or has h... 2 replies
Talk : : November 14, 2009
If my dc had the swine flu back in the spring does he still need the vaccine or has he built up enough immunity?
2 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.14.09, 12:48 PM [ Flag ]He should be OK.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 12:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]All info you want go to nyc.gov/flu - use that as a source, not an anonymous UB poster. Or your doctor. Or CDC. Geez. Or see this that addresses your question directly: http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/24/do-i-need-the-h1n1-vaccine-if-i-think-i-already-had-it/
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 01:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Anyone on line at PS 290 right now? How long is it--still crazy long?? 24 replies
- H1N1 vaccine...
- ? Any adverse reactions to it? Have heard from some parents that a few days after the vaccine their kids were kind of achey and tired. My dc had the actual swine flu back in...got there around 10 a.m. and saw the line wrapped around the block. We left. Want the vaccine but not realistic to have 4 y.o. stand in line for hours....
Talk : : November 14, 2009
Anyone on line at PS 290 right now? How long is it--still crazy long??
24 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.14.09, 07:42 AM [ Flag ]What's the line for?
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 07:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]H1N1 vaccine
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 08:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's 11 a.m. Does anyone know ow long the line is for? It would be nice before we trekked all the way over there. TIA!
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 08:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
We have an 8-month old. I read that these centers only offer them to children 4 years and older. Can anyone verify that? Thank you.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 08:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes, must be at least 4
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 08:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Man, so glad we went down last weekend to Marta Valle on LES to get dcs shots. No lines there whatsoever.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 08:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks-that's a helpful comment, SmugMom
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 08:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Did your dcs get the mist or the shots? Any adverse reactions to it? Have heard from some parents that a few days after the vaccine their kids were kind of achey and tired. My dc had the actual swine flu back in the spring and it was very mild so wondering if dc still needs the vaccine.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 08:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]They got the shot - no adverse reactions.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 08:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
We got there around 10 a.m. and saw the line wrapped around the block. We left. Want the vaccine but not realistic to have 4 y.o. stand in line for hours.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 08:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The line moves quick. We got there at 8:45 and the line went up 2nd and a little way down 83rd we were out by 10am - it is quite well organized - I was shocked
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 08:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]good to know. thanks!
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 08:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]can you fill out the forms on line, or do you have to wait till you get to the front?
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 08:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]good question!
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 08:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]They were handing out the forms to the people while they were on line.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 09:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks!
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 07:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Did you have a choice between the mist or the shot?
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 09:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Can anyone go or is just the kids & those w/health risks? TIA.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 08:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]kids over 4 and pregnant woman / high risks
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 09:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]4-24, pregnant women, people in high risk categories, and people who care for infants under 6mos.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 09:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
How about now (12:15)? How late are they going?
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 09:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]We (my DS and me) got on the line at 1:50pm today and we were done before 2:45pm. Very civilized, organized, efficient and pleasant. (Now it's raining harder so I don't know how that will affect things.) Well worth it I think.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 12:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
just got back. arrived there at 3:00 & left the center at 330. very organized. it was raining as we were in line but all in all. satisfactory experience.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 01:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]got there at noon, left at 2. amazingly well-run, with truly nice people working the tables.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 01:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Need to get DH the h1n1 vax. I have it and 8 month old dd has 1st round of it. she ge... 7 replies
- what is the math you are expecting? where is my calculation wrong? I went elsewhere to get the vaccine b/c my dh's (mine as well) doc would not give it to us. I found a sitter and sat in line...are lots of clinics through all 5 boroughs. They arent in the best neighborhoods(not all of them), but they will give the vaccine to anyone who wants it. go to nyc.gov and search. its out there. DONT GIVE UP, the vaccines are there, just hard...
Talk : : November 14, 2009
Need to get DH the h1n1 vax. I have it and 8 month old dd has 1st round of it. she gets 2nd round in two weeks. Any idea where he can get it on the weekend? we're not in the 'high risk' group, but our little one isnt fully protected for a month, so we want to get it, and knowledge of places? or even a place where he can make an apt through the week?
7 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.14.09, 07:09 AM [ Flag ]you shouldn't have any trouble getting it, you seem to be in a very unique position, what with having a "little one". Get in line lady, everyone wants it.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 11:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]they said they will only give it to parents of children under the age of 6 months. ours is 8 months.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 11:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np If you're OP, you should do some math brush-up.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 12:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]what is the math you are expecting? where is my calculation wrong? I went elsewhere to get the vaccine b/c my dh's (mine as well) doc would not give it to us. I found a sitter and sat in line for 3 hours at a south bronx monday through friday clinic like everyone else. They are only administering it to parents of children under the age of six months (hence the reason they will not give it to my dh.) our daughter is 8 months old. I was simply wondering if anyone who's btdt knew of a place to get it on the weekend OTHER then the schools b/c they only give to high risk. please explain math 'brush-up' you are speaking of...
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 09:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
There are H1N1 clinics in NYC this weekend.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 11:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i was told the clinic in NYC this weekend is only for 4 years or older...I have an 8-month old and am stuck. I can't get it anywhere and if the clinics don't offer it, who knows when my pediatrician will be getting it in?
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 12:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]there are lots of clinics through all 5 boroughs. They arent in the best neighborhoods(not all of them), but they will give the vaccine to anyone who wants it. go to nyc.gov and search. its out there. DONT GIVE UP, the vaccines are there, just hard to find.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 09:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Dd and I got the h1n1 mist on Wednesday. She has had no side effects but I suddenly f... 2 replies
- Me too. The shot had the same effect on me as all flu shots--a little achy, a bit fatigued, very low-grade fever. My daughter had the mist and didn't seem to experience any side effects. Either way, some people just react differently. If anything, a little bit of aches and fatigue is a sign your body is properly building the antibodies. I bet you'll feel back to normal by tomorrow, OP. And by the way, thanks to everyone getting vaccinated!!!!...
Talk : : November 13, 2009
Dd and I got the h1n1 mist on Wednesday. She has had no side effects but I suddenly feel achey and tired. Anyone experience side effects? I wish I got the shot!
2 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.13.09, 03:12 PM [ Flag ]i got the shot and felt achey adn tired.
[ Reply | Options ]11.13.09, 03:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Me too. The shot had the same effect on me as all flu shots--a little achy, a bit fatigued, very low-grade fever. My daughter had the mist and didn't seem to experience any side effects. Either way, some people just react differently. If anything, a little bit of aches and fatigue is a sign your body is properly building the antibodies. I bet you'll feel back to normal by tomorrow, OP. And by the way, thanks to everyone getting vaccinated!!!!
[ Reply | Options ]11.13.09, 04:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Why did they make a h1n1 flu mist that can only be taken by a certain segment of the ... 17 replies
- can be given both flu shots same day - mist and dead. but no other vaccinations for 30 days...
- and the other shot in the right arm). If a woman is getting her vaccines after delivery, she can get the nasal spray flu vaccine. However, she should not...
- The mist was created as another way to administer the vaccine to a certain segment of the population. Some adults and many children are afraid of...
Talk : : November 13, 2009
Why did they make a h1n1 flu mist that can only be taken by a certain segment of the population when the "shot" can be taken by ALL people? Why didn't they just make the "shots"? Is it cheaper or faster to make the mist?
17 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.13.09, 01:40 PM [ Flag ]actually, if you had a seasonal flu shot recently, you can't get teh H1N1 shot, just the mist.
[ Reply | Options ]11.13.09, 01:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]not true, i was given both the same day.
[ Reply | Options ]11.13.09, 01:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you can be given both flu shots same day - mist and dead. but no other vaccinations for 30 days
[ Reply | Options ]11.13.09, 01:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
no, it's the opposite. If you get the h1n1 mist, you have to wait to get a regular flu shot.
[ Reply | Options ]11.13.09, 01:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]if you've had seasonal flu shot in past 4 weeks, you have to get h1n1 as mist (and i belive its vice versa as well). just went through this.
[ Reply | Options ]11.13.09, 01:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]dd had seasonal booster (2nd shot) and then 2 weeks later got h1n1 shot.
[ Reply | Options ]11.13.09, 01:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]dc got hini mist last weekend and got the seasonal flu mist yesterday. hope we didn't screw up!
[ Reply | Options ]11.13.09, 01:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
you are wrong. 3 dc all got H1N1 mist and reg flu shot on same day.
[ Reply | Options ]11.13.09, 02:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]mist and shot, yes, not shot and shot.
[ Reply | Options ]11.13.09, 02:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]From CDC website: Seasonal and 2009 H1N1 flu shots can be given on the same day but should be given at different sites (e.g., one shot in the left arm and the other shot in the right arm). If a woman is getting her vaccines after delivery, she can get the nasal spray flu vaccine. However, she should not get the seasonal and 2009 H1N1 nasal spays on the same day; they should be given 4 weeks apart
[ Reply | Options ]11.13.09, 02:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
one is a live vax and one is a dead vax. They are diff.
[ Reply | Options ]11.13.09, 01:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes, I know about the live vs dead virus. My point is why not just make the "dead" virus shots that EVERYONE can take vs the mist that only certain people can take.
[ Reply | Options ]11.13.09, 02:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
The shots are pretty tough and slow to make. I believe the mist is easier, as you'd guessed.
[ Reply | Options ]11.13.09, 02:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I just got the H1N1 mist today, and the nurse there said after seasonal flu SHOT, wait 2 weeks before getting H1N1 MIST. But, I had also heard you can get both on the same day. Quite frankly, I don't believe the healthcare professionals really know what the proper way is to get the vaccines.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 01:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
The mist was created as another way to administer the vaccine to a certain segment of the population. Some adults and many children are afraid of needles and would otherwise not be immunized, for instance. The mist is not cheaper to produce, but is easier to administer (no needle, faster). The virus is live, but attenuated and cold-adapted, so it will not give you the flu.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 04:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^Forgot to add that you can get the seasonal flu and H1N1 shot at the same time (and pretty much any other dead vax), however, you can only get one live-attenuated vax (mist) at a time, which means you can get the seasonal flu shot and the H1N1 mist at the same time (or vice versa).
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 04:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
the mist isn't recommended for those with breathing issues - bpd, asthma, emphazema, etc.
[ Reply | Options ]11.14.09, 04:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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Anybody not having DC vaccinated for H1N1?
8 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.12.09, 12:14 PM [ Flag ]not on purpose. older child got it at school, trying to find it for younger one.
[ Reply | Options ]11.12.09, 12:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]City announced today they are opening up school centers to all kids. Just look at NYT for sites.
[ Reply | Options ]11.12.09, 12:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np - but I thought only for 4yo and up - we are in same boat and dd is 3
[ Reply | Options ]11.12.09, 12:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks so much!
[ Reply | Options ]11.12.09, 12:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
me
[ Reply | Options ]11.12.09, 12:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I want to, but can't - dd is allergic to eggs.
[ Reply | Options ]11.12.09, 12:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Me, she had it in the spring, 2-3 days of fever and a cranky kid.
[ Reply | Options ]11.12.09, 12:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]me, dc had in spring
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