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  • [-]in such a bind. married a wonderful man i respect greatly but had zero sexual attraction for. been together 10 years. i was screwed up at the time (eating disorders, family trauma, etc) and didnt realize it but NOW i see i made a bargain - emotional security for sex. i have never been happy sexually in our marriage or before. recently met a man thru work that i am madly wildly passionate for and started an affair (flamers field day!) and i have asked my husand for a sep. he is fighting tooth and nail. wants our marriage to work. i feel i am in love with another man and soooooo torn. we have 2 kids. some will say i am selfish. others will say no one wants a martyr for a mother. any experience ub-ers?

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    11.13.09, 07:03 AM [ Flag ]
    • get some counseling - personal and marital - you owe it to yourself, your dh and your kids!!!

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      11.13.09, 07:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • omg, we are in couples, both in individual and both have 12 step programs as support groups

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        11.13.09, 07:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Your sex drive will fade for this other man and you will be left with no "wonderful man" because a wonderful man will not hook up and break up a marriage, you will have given up time with your children and broken your family for orgasms. Please stay with your husband.

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          11.19.09, 11:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • why would you think good sex = love and conversely, bad sex = a bad marriage?

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      11.13.09, 07:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ita

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        11.13.09, 07:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • hmm, i dont think of it that simply but have passion, sexual desire, sensual experiences with my partner are important to me. these are things i have forsaken in my life til now. i am 37 and just realizing that sexuality is extremely important."sex" isnt just a tiny compartment of life.

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        11.13.09, 07:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • you do realize that even if you end up with the new guy and end up marrying him (a big if) - the passion eventually fades anyway. I'm not saying that it disappears, but there's no way it will sustain at its current, we're doing something illicit and wild and carefree, level.

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          11.13.09, 07:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Catholics have to go to pre-marriage counseling before we get married, it's called pre-cana. And I still remember the Priest talking to us. He said, " I always tell couples, you will meet the person you should have married after you are already married. Marriage is a choice you make each day when you wake up." If you are done making the choice to be married, I don't think its really fair that you stay with your lover. You owe it to yourself, kids, and husband actually, to separate, and get your act together, before diving in with the new guy. Sex does not last.

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      11.13.09, 07:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • hmm, so interesting what your priest says. do you meet the man you should have married as a test to your commitment to marriage? i feel like i committed to my marriage because i didnt know what else to do.

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        11.13.09, 07:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I thought it was really great advice. I took it that marriage is hard work. You have to do the work every day. And of course, anyone who has dated someone for 3 years knows it gets old, and boring, and its tempting to look around. Do you do the work, or throw in the towel. To OP, I would say, I find your husband attractive that he was a loyal, loving husband and father for 10 years, much more attractive to me than your lover who would break up a family. I really do. I have a number of single girlfriends I would like to set your soon to be ex-husband up with after you have left him. He soudns like an honrable guy.

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          11.13.09, 07:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • what great advice

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        11.13.09, 10:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I find it amazing that you found a man whom you respect, who was willing to go through all your screwed up stuff, and be the father to your children and is willing to fight for you tooth and nail that you don't value him and your family enough to find a way to improve your sex life with him. HOnestly, Ithink he is the martyr in this situation - I think you would be foolish to throw all this away and will probably really regret it. It sounds like you have a long pattern of self-destructive behavior and this affair is part of it. Affairs are self-destructive - and destructive of others. Is the affair all about sex or is there more to it?

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      11.13.09, 07:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • much more to it. he is emotionally present, we get along very well, "get" each other, both have walked through really difficult stuff. by martyr, i meant being in a sexless, safe marriage because i "owe" it to him, rather than having the courage to creatie the life & love i want? also - i have taken my husband to sex therpay several times. he wasnt willing to look at himself. it;s always ME that is the problem.

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        11.13.09, 07:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • more from OP, i value my family and kids tremendously but i am not so attached to the hallmark picture of a nuclear family to suppress all of my desires to maintain that picture. sounds like a recipe for divorce once the kids go to college. my therapist says i have re-created the incest of my childhood by having 10 years of sex that i d idnt want to have. literally, REPULSED by my husband's body. but always made it MY FAULT for thinking that. maybe we dont have "chemistry". can you conjure chemistry?

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          11.13.09, 07:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Well, to be completely honest, my DH has packed on the pounds over the years, and objectively, probably isn't THE sexiest man alive. But he loves our family, our kids, and me. So yes, you can conjure chemistry.

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            11.13.09, 07:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • more from OP - trust me, i am terrified of making a decision i will regret. i couldnt live with that... so i am doing tons and tons of work on myself and the marriage to see what can be improved. including 86'ing the affair.

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            11.13.09, 07:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • it really doesn't matter how physically unattracted you are to your husband, that's no excuse for hurting him in this way. and it doesn't matter how dysfunctional your family/childhood was, you are a grown woman responsible for your own actions and your actions are inexcusable. if you were terminally unhappy with your marriage, you should have ended it before you moved onto another intimate relationship. can you imagine your two children someday trying to blame their adult problems on the fact that their mother was a damaged, selfish, addictive personality who broke up their family and destroyed their father all because she cared more about her sex life with a boyfriend than her marriage and family? doesn't sound like a pattern you should b...

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              11.13.09, 08:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np-can you read in your post that you are blaming someone and assuming THEY must have something wrong with them ("can you conjure chemistry"?) This is a pattern. it's NOT everyone else's fault. You need to take a step back and stop acting like an 18 yr old school girl.

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            11.13.09, 07:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • this is after 10 years of thinking it was ALL me. and taking full responsibility for the fact that our sex life wasnt working.

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              11.13.09, 07:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np-your frame is all wrong. you dont stay in a marriage because you owe it to them. you stay in because of all of hte blessings that you have and because you YOURSELF made a commitment to be married. you need to stop thinking about what you dont have and start thinking about what you value. do you value truthfulness? honesty? doing what you said you would do? therapy isnt about the other person's problems. it's about our OWN. what is it inside of you that thinks you should be so callous with these tremendous blessings?

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          11.13.09, 07:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • i havent been callous. i have been completely devoted and focused ENTIRELY on what a wonderful man he is for 10 years. i have only looked at my own deficiencies and blocks. (see my postings above). i do feel incredibly blessed. i think because of my sexual trauma and abuse though, i chose a man based on that framework. not from a healthy confident place. so, do you believe in the "you've made your bed now lie in it" way of approaching life? do you believe people who stay in sexless repressed marriages benefit their children? i grew up in a sexless home and that is why i had NO IDEA about sexuality in life and married someone who repulsed me physically.

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            11.13.09, 07:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • look. i'm sure that you and your therapist have discussed this a good deal. but the tone of your email is "i" this and "i" that. it's all about you. which is a framework for life you get to have before YOU choose the responsibility of creating a family. then it doesnt get to be "i" "i". once YOU make that choice, whoever you were when you made it, then your frame needs to shift. otherwise, yes, you are callous and self absorbed. period.

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              11.13.09, 07:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • i have put my husband's feeling before mine for the last 10 years. he was so afraid of losing me he didnt want me to go to rehab because he was afraid i would "get well" and leave him, was afraid if me going on a retreat because it sounds risque to him and thereatened him, my post sounds all I I I because YES it finally is about me. most of my life has been about people pleasing for survival, my family, now my husband. it sounds like YOUR framework for life is VERY punitive. no one can change their mind. no one can make mistakes.

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                11.13.09, 07:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Oh OP, best of luck to you, Sex isn't everything but it is a very important,vital energy. It sounds like you need to have a realized sexual existence. If it isn't with your husband, you'll need to suffer that loss. I'm truly sorry.

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                  11.13.09, 07:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • i am praying it's with my husband. and leaving no stone unturned.

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                    11.13.09, 08:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • it sounds to me like you've had way too much therapy if you ask me. i have experience with your type in my own dysfunctional family. you've had so much therapy that you know all the lingo (so you, therefore, "know it all" and are pretty much beyond help at this point). and, because you are so well-versed in all this psycho-babble, you have gotten to the point where you see everyone's deficiencies but your own. if you had only stayed faithful, this whole story would read much differently. but your infidelity, in my opinion, is unconscionable.

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                      11.13.09, 08:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • NP: You are clearly very mad at your husband. I am not shrink, bt I would guess you are deflecting, or trying t make yourself mad at him so he's easier to leave?? Also, you talk so much about hte importance of sexuality in life.. it's odd to me. I just don't see it as important. Maybe 5% of our marriage is sexuality, 25% humor, etc..

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                  11.13.09, 08:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np: How can such a wise person like you be on UB?

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            11.13.09, 07:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • is that to OP or the woman saying i made my bed now lie in it?

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              11.13.09, 07:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • It was a sincere compliment for the second.

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                11.13.09, 07:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • why ? because she is saying that you just have to stick out your commitments even though it is a daily inner torture? because he is a good man? because sex "isnt everything"? never said it was "everything" but ANY marraige counselor will say that physical attraction and chemistry is a MUST. unless BOTH partners do not value sexual vitality.

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                  11.13.09, 08:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • The point at which you were most selfish is when you married him - not now (yes, yes, I know you had issues). Does he know that you actually find him repulsive and he's OK with that? If he is, what about an open marriage?

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      11.13.09, 08:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • trust me - i know that is when i was most selfish and it is a testament to how little i trusted myself and my instincts. i had a teeny tiny voice saying he wasnt the one but i didnt trust myself as i had made so many bad decisions. i have told him t hat i never truly chose to have a SEXUAL relationship with him. that i have always done it to please him, never myself. he knows this now.. and is accepting it. and now that we are FINALLY being honest with each other we are looking at how we can COMPLETELY re-boot our sex life. reading books... looking at more spiritual appraoches to sex

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        11.13.09, 08:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Oh my goodness. How could you say this to him? I'm siging off this post, because it is so upsetting. I feel for your DH. If my DH told me he only had sex w me to please me, not himself, I would be heartbroken. If you hate him so much, please do leave him. Let him find a loving wife who will be there through thick and thin. There are many more single women out there.

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          11.13.09, 08:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • just because i am a wofe and mother doesnt mean i am NOT allowed to WAKE UP and find my god amd find my truth. wives and mothers have rights too.

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            11.13.09, 08:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • it sounds as if you've made up your mind. But don't ask for approval. You won't get it and don't deserve it. If all this is worth it to you to leave your dh, you must understand what it will cost you.

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              11.13.09, 10:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • You did your husband a great disservice by marrying him when you felt no attraction at all towards him. It was selfish and you basically used him for security. You did a greater disservice by having two children with this husband that you felt repulsed by. And now you want to dump them all because you want a better life? You do not sound worthy of your husband or children and I hope he gets them in a custody battle, because he is better suited to be a responsible parent. I'm sorry you had an early trauma, but does that give you license to do what you will do to three people? I say NO. You've made your decisions, now honor up to them.

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      11.13.09, 08:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • i am worthy. i am.

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        11.13.09, 08:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • also - read Mira Kirshenbaum's 'why good people have affairs" and get off your high horse. the fall is long and hard for people like you.

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          11.13.09, 08:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • more psycho-babble. just so you know, there's a self-help book out there that can justify any and everything. still doesn't make it ok.

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            11.13.09, 08:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I feel like this could have been written by a man, and he would be ripped to shreds on this board.

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      11.13.09, 09:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • You've missed the point; most here do not approve or respect what she has done and the kids and dh are the innocent victims. OP needs to own up to responsibility and not cause pain to family. OP is an adolescent mentality with a fantasy life when she has dc who need her to be an adult.

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        11.13.09, 09:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • That wasn't the point of the OP, to which I responded to. It was the point of the other posters.

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          11.13.09, 09:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • sexual attraction is NOT a good thing to base a relationship on. Respect and trust come in MUCH more handy. Don't know about you, but any man I was ever really attracted to and had great sex with was not someone whom I trusted or respected very much. I would advise you to work on your sex life with your dh. Take it as a challenge, you never know!! Think of all the pain and suffering you will cause the way you're going

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      11.13.09, 09:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • my mother broke up a stable (though there were problems) family for a man she was into sexually (though that of course didn't last, it never does). I have sympathy for her, but after years of analysis therapy and bad behavior on my part, but only after that and a lot of grief, I have trained myself to make better choices than her. But it was very very hard, and I wish I had had better models.

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      11.13.09, 09:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • exact same thing happened in our family, when i was in my mid-20s. ditto the bad behavior, ditto the grief, ditto therapy. children get emotionally and psychologically clobbered in these situations. i feel for OP's dh and dcs.

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        11.13.09, 01:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • The sexual fire with this guy will die eventually. Try and think what is underneath that in this new man, because that is what you will be stuck with if you go with him, and all that destruction behind you.

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      11.13.09, 09:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Lone dissenter here. You get one life. If you and your husband are not happy together, you don't need to stay out of some type of obligation. Separate.

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      11.13.09, 09:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • not alone - the most selfish part was marrying him in the first place (though from some of OPs posts, if looks like dh was looking for someone who was easy to control) - that's done and shouldn't necessarily be perpetuated. If they can't ignite the fire or agree to let the fire be ignited elsewhere, then enough.

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        11.13.09, 09:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I just don't think divorce is the worst thing ever. Even if we disagree with every choice she made in the past, she is here now, and basically can get a divorce and pursue happiness. JMO.

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          11.13.09, 09:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • NP: Do you seriously think she'll find happiness with this other guy? (And let's be honest, the other guy is the reason she's contemplating leaving, not some great personal epiphany like she's trying to paint it above.) I feel like we'll just see another thread from her a few years down the road with lots of ALL CAPS talking about everything that's wrong with guy #2 and it's not really her fault because it was her first bad marriage that made her make this mistake in her second marriage and . . .

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            11.13.09, 09:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Dh is willing to fight tooth and nail but is not willing to work on making himself more attractive? That doesn't seem to jibe.

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      11.13.09, 09:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • If nothing else, you would think he would shed a few pounds from all the tooth and nail fighting!

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        11.13.09, 09:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • is your lover going to weave into what would be your new life as a single mother with two dc, or are you going to give custody to ex-dh? it's not like you're single w/o kids and can flop in bed whenever you want. is lover going to fit into any kind of life with whatever custody arrangments would be made? think about that.

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      11.13.09, 09:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np: I'll join in with the lone dissenter above and say that if you feel the marriage is beyond repair, then leave. Divorce isn't the end of everything, and if you can find a way to build a happier life, then I say go for it. Yes, you took vows but every once in a while, life goes askew, and as the poster wrote above, you only have one life to live. Go out and live it.

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        11.13.09, 09:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • tritto regarding having one life to lead. But remember, things in our head don't always translate so neatly into real life, i.e. the sexy boyfriend and happily ever after. Also, let's be fair: any guy that is fighting tooth and nail to stay in a miserable situation has some serious co-dependency issues of his own.

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          11.13.09, 05:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • OR from above: yes, there is no doubt that the boyfriend in the wings has been idealized, but objectively, it does seem like she feels that her marriage is beyond repair. And like it or not, sometimes marriage is. (And nope, I'm not divorced - married 8 yrs...and I know you're agreeing w/me, so I'm directing this at other posters, not you :) I think what someone suggested above is probably best: leave husband AND boyfriend. Figure herself out first.

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            11.13.09, 05:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My heart goes out to your husband, and that the reward for his loyalty and care for you will be such suffering.

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      11.13.09, 10:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think you should think about your kids first. What effect will your split have on them? They are going to learn that you cheated on their dad. They will probably learn that their dad desperately tried to save your marriage. The other man is going to be gone in a matter of time, and if you think you feel unhappy and unfulfilled now, just think about how you're going to feel as a single mom. You're enjoying the passion and excitement now, but it's just temporary. I have seen this happen so many times. Odds are so stacked against you--this thing with the other guy is not going to work out, and you are going to be alone, and your kids' lives are going to suffer for your bad judgment. Try to look at this like a grownup and make things work wit...

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      11.13.09, 05:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • eventually you'll lose the passion for new guy, it will become a intense friendship with the same 'emotional security' (or maybe not even that)...and then you'll miss the old father of your kids. just screw around with new guy a few times to get it out of your system during the separation, realize he has a ugly dick, and then go back to old guy with a new appreciation for him.

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      11.15.09, 11:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Any jewelers online? Question about having a ring made.

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    11.19.09, 07:29 AM [ Flag ]
    • what is the question?

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      11.19.09, 08:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • np here - me too.

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      11.19.09, 08:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I wanted to have a ring made and found a woman who came highly recommended from a co-worker. She wanted a deposit and I sent it to her to hold the diamond. She was rushing me from the start and I felt like her first wax mold of the ring was not very close to the picture of the ring I wanted. So I sent her a few emails describing the ring and how the wax mold she sent was different. She got really creepy and basically said I would never be happy and that it had already taken more than 30 days (which, I guess, is some important timeline with her.. she never told me about this). So after being that creepy, I told her I felt like I should work with someone else and please send my deposit back. Now she doesn't return my calls or emails and no mo...

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      11.19.09, 08:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I highly recommend http://www.andreacorson.com/ - i grew up with her and she recently (a few years ago) made a piece that i commissioned. she was great to work with - open, flexible, we went back and forth on design ideas - and reasonable price. she does great work, check out her website!

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        11.19.09, 08:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Thanks for the recommendation. But my question is should she send my deposit back or is that what she'll consider payment for the time she spent. Even though she didn't do the ring for me?

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      11.19.09, 08:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • i don't think you'll see the deposit at this point. you owe her something for her time, for creating the mold, etc. and she has your money and no incentive to return it. next time ask questions first!

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        11.19.09, 09:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]We're relocating to Chicago with two children (almost 5&2). any suggestions on where to move? we like the outdoors. are there good public schools or do we have to apply to private schools all over again?

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    05.06.09, 08:59 AM [ Flag ]
    • I'm assuming you want to live in the city. If you like the outdoors you might want to look at neighborhoods along the lake (Lincoln Park, Lakeview, Rogers Park, Gold Coast). I'm a northsider so I don't have a lot to say about southside neighborhoods but some are quite lovely. A lot of single family homes (all over the city) have at least a small yard. The public schools are improving and there are quite a few good ones to choose from (Blaine, Nettlehorst, Alcott come to mind). There are a number of magnet and charter schools that accept by lottery. I've got a third-grader so it's been a while since I've done school research but I know that the choices have greatly expanded since he started school. The CPS website is http://www.cps.edu/...

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      05.06.09, 09:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I would not recommend Rogers Park for schools. While the area is very affordable, and you'd be near the lake and there is a new, large parents group growing there, the schools are really awful. I used to teach in a Rogers Park school and none of them (none east of California anyways) are ones worth attending. But if you can't afford anywhere else in terms of housing, it is a nice place to live, you'd just have to do private school or take your chances with the school lottery.

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      05.22.09, 05:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • this. the rog sucks. it's primarily a college area mixed with old jewish families and section 8ers. (lived there for 5 years, actually liked it but I was in college)

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        11.13.09, 09:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I disagree. Rogers School has really improved over the past years, maybe since youve been out of the area. Their test scores rival some better known and respected schools, and the grounds around the school are lovely and generally safe.

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        11.13.09, 12:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I am also a north sider, and when i was looking for information on the neighborhoods of Chicago, I found this website http://www.dreamtown.com . It has a whole neighborhood section.

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      08.13.09, 01:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I had an absolutely lovely childhood in suburban Chicago. Look at Wilmette, Winnetka and Kenilworth if you can swing it. Good schools, beautiful houses, near beach, very easy commute on the train into the city.

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      08.13.09, 01:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • If still in the market, take a look at this MLS #07351646 which shows 9 pictures of the house. It is a 1897 Queen Anne Victorian Home for Rent in Brookfield, IL. 9 Rooms 3-4 BR. Excellent High Ranking School System. 1/2 Mile to Brookfield Zoo. 1/2 Block to Metra Train (25 minutes to Union Station). Yes, I am the owner looking to rent my house out.

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      11.13.09, 09:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Regarding Rogers Park schools: Yes, Rogers School is decent. Armstrong *might* be okay if you had no other option, but the rest? omg, they are awful! Gale, Kilmer and the 2 Fields are nowhere any responsible parent would send their kids!

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        11.13.09, 03:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]So, my family has decided to leave the city for the suburbs due to my husband's commute time (which is crazy long). I am totally depressed about it. I hate the suburbs. I love Chicago. We got into a freaky good magnet school that is unbelievably amazing and won't see anything that comes close to its quality where we are going.

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    11.08.09, 07:05 PM [ Flag ]
    • op here: pushed enter too soon. I love my husband and can do this for our family so we actually get to see him more. But ugh....we'll be going from diversity to lily white, from fun and interesting and a million friends to knowing no one and totally boring. Has anyone felt the same and then found out they really loved the suburbs? Is that even possible?

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      11.08.09, 07:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Can't he find another job?(!)

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        11.08.09, 07:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • No, this is the best job he is going to get, particularly in this economy and we are grateful for it. But believe me, he has looked!

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          11.08.09, 08:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I don't think you're going to move and think, "oh my gosh, this is so amazing, I can't believe I ever doubted this." But you will discover some benefits to the suburbs, if you try to keep an open mind. There will also be stuff that will really make you dislike the 'burbs even more than you do now, but you're doing something great for your family, you may have to sacrifice in other areas. I would spend a little more time mourning, but then make an effort to change your attitude and pursue this with enthusiasm. It will make a huge difference on how much and how quickly you and your family adapt to the move.

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        11.08.09, 07:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • It's possible. You have to decide to make the best of it, though. If you decide you hate everything before you give it a real try, you will hate it.

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      11.08.09, 07:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Is it possible for him to get some flexibility on work so you don't have to move? Like, work from home a couple days a week so he doesn't have to commute those days? Seems like tele-commuting is quite normal these days.

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      11.11.09, 03:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Also, as someone who moved to the suburbs and HATED it, the city will always be here for you if you decide you have to return. I did, and I wish I had never left. The time I spent in the burbs was horrible.

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        11.11.09, 03:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • good idea, except he is a teacher and has to be at school.

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        11.11.09, 07:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • also, op here again, if we leave, we give up our spot at one of the single best magnet schools in Chicago. We will never get it back if we go. And getting into a good school was a stroke of complete and total luck. Our neighborhood school is pretty bad and we cannot afford private. As well, Illinois schools don't allow you to carry more than 2-5 years of experience with you from district to district, so if we were to return to the city after being in the suburbs once our kids graduated, my husband would take a massive pay cut. Once we go, we aren't coming back.

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          11.11.09, 07:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • I live in Illinois and am a teacher, and I do not believe that is true about only taking 2-5 years of experience from district to district. There are plenty of teaching jobs available in the city. I'd look for a new job closer to the city and stay put.

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            11.12.09, 08:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I know Chicago will only allow you to carry in 2 years experience from outside the system (I taught there myself) and Evanston will only allow 5. Many others will let you carry in a few. There may be a few exceptions, though. And there actually aren't a lot of teaching jobs in the city. Myself and 4 friends tried to get jobs this fall and nothing. I got one interview. CPS has been laying off teachers and closing down schools and office jobs (which puts the office people who used to be teachers back in the system looking for jobs). It used to be true that there were a lot of city jobs, especially if you were willing to go to a bad area (I am willing) but now, unless you are special ed, bilingual or middle school math, it is really har...

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              11.12.09, 08:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Anyone have any good au pair stories? We are getting one next month and lately I have only heard horror stories.

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    10.01.08, 05:50 PM [ Flag ]
    • Mine was wonderful, kind and affectionate, constantly giving out hugs and kisses. . .to my husband!!!

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      10.01.08, 05:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • If you want consumer information on au pairs and au pair agencies, see the website www.aupairclearinghouse.com. It is a national consumer site that reviews agencies and the countries the au pairs come from. We are looking for a Chinese au pair and the website has been very very helpful!

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        03.09.09, 10:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • right-they slept together

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      10.01.08, 05:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • we had a wonderful girl from abroad. we LOVED her. she took really good care of my sisters and me and helped mom wherever she could (but not like a cleaning lady or anything). we still talk very fondly of her. but i think it might have been a lucky thing. i've heard horror stories too. however, the GOOD stories are usually about girls from abroad (germany, france, sweden, denmark, etc.) who want to get to know a different country and culture etc. i know that there are some agencies in germany that pride themselves in finding girls with good backgrounds and education etc etc. i forget the name. might be worth a try.

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      10.01.08, 06:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i've only heard horror stories. just bear in mind that au pairs are kids with all the irresponsibility and bad judgment that entails and who first and foremost want to experience america (and get laid, of course). good luck. maybe you'll wind up with one of the good ones.

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      10.01.08, 06:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We've had ours for a month now. She is very responsible, good with the kids...not a horror story at all....and I know 3 others people with au pairs...the one that got the horror stories (2 in a row) was a mom that prioritized the country of origin for the au pair (she wanted a german speaking one and went through two duds before finding a good one). Ours comes from a family where her mom and dad are both professionals and she seemed to really want to come here to perfect her English/study the culture so she can return to her country and finish law school. She is really sweet....she is also 21 and had been living on her own in Brazil. I've heard of problems with girls who are 18 and never lived away from home before

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      10.01.08, 07:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • how much does this usually cost? how long do they usually stay? any agencies you'd recommend? tia.

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        10.02.08, 05:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • The website aupairclearinghouse.com lists top au pair agencies in the country - check out there list. They are not an agency, but a consumer business that reviews the agencies, etc.

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          03.09.09, 10:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Hi! I see that someone recommended my website, www.aupairclearinghouse.com. I worked in the au pair industry for over 10 years and when I retired, I wanted to share my expertise and knowledge with parents, especially mothers. Mothers today have a hard time of it! They have to juggle careers and take care of the home and the childcare. Childcare costs have soared in this country and it is difficult to find inexpensive but good, safe childcare! Hosting an au pair is a very good way to have fulltime care, that is cost-effective and safe. However, that said, you have to know what you are doing! You really have to know the agencies, how to interview, what to look for in an au pair, how to avoid the "Problem" au pairs, etc. I share all of...

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            08.18.09, 08:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • I see that someone recommended my consumer website, www.aupairclearinghouse.com. We are a site that reviews and rates all au pair agencies. I worked in the au pair industry for over 10 years and now I share that expertise with parents so they can make good, sound decisions when hiring an au pair! Visit us today to see our newly published list: Top Three Au Pair Agencies for 2009. Edina Stone, Founder & CEO

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            08.18.09, 08:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • nope. sorry. my gf had 2 horrible ones and ended up suing the agency for her $ back.

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      08.18.09, 08:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i have friends who've had 3: 1 great, 1 good, and 1 dud that they got rid of. another friend has a great one right now - she's a bit older (24-25) and was certified for newborns and my friend adores her and is keeping her a 2nd year. another friend has one right now that she's very pleased with. so out of 5, only 1 bad one.

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      08.18.09, 09:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • friend is having a great experience with an aupair a little older than the average - she's 26. it's a good fit.

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      08.18.09, 09:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Yes, we have been happy with all 3 au pairs over 5 years. You will definitely get some stories out of having one but if you picked a good one you will be happy. Our friend we referred to our agency told me today that her current au pair is the first person she's paid to take care of her kid that she really thinks loves him.

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      08.19.09, 02:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • we are also getting our first au pair next month and I am very excited. I say, ignore the naysayers and try to set expectations early.

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      08.19.09, 06:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Just remember that for every “horror story” out there - there are 100 times more positive experiences with the au pair program! People usually just talk about the negative over the positive – as it makes a more interesting conversation! Over the past 5 ½ years, we have hosted 6 au pairs and yes one did not work out and we went into transition. But you know what – that is life and we made the best of our situation at that time. I always say that things happen for a reason and going into transition was the best thing that could happen to our family because we then got the best au pair a family could ask for! Our au pair was a unique & charismatic individual who has blessed and changed our lives forever. Our year was amazing a...

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      11.08.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My best friend's DH is now married to their au pair. They're expecting their first DC in a few months.

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      11.08.09, 01:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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