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  • [-]Shouldn't I get paid for time I would have worked but didn't because my employer decided THEY didn't need me on that particular day or week? I am nanny in Manhattan and I have a dilemma. After searching for almost a year in the recession I have finally found a job full time/live out. I am now in the middle of my 3rd week and find my self still negotiating what days off I should get paid. About 2 weeks into it the parents presented me with the contract/work agreement (which I suggested). They are offering 3weeks paid vacation (2 chosen by them and 1 by me) and also mentioned that in addition to those 3 weeks they will be taking 1-2 weeks extra vacation which will be unpaid. Also during the time of the year when uncles/aunts and grandparents ...

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    03.17.10, 06:07 AM [ Flag ]
    • Your post got cut off. Unpaid two weeks seems unusual to me. Get in writing how much notice for vacation.

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      03.17.10, 06:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • you need to tell them that if you are expected to reserve your time for them, they must pay you full time. If they do not want to, I suggest you start looking for another employer. How is it that you get one week of your choosing and they get 5? If they both work out of the home, they canot really afford this tyupe of contract.

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      03.17.10, 06:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think in general yes, you should be paid. However, I think they are required to pay for more than three weeks of vacation. I do, but I don't think they're obligated to. They are your employers, not your guidance counselors, and they are not required to take into consideration your plans to finish school (BTW, take the student loans, that's what they're there for).

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      03.17.10, 06:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ^ meant to say I DON'T think they're required to pay for more than three weeks of vacation.

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        03.17.10, 06:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • NP: I don't consider this vacation. More like a furlough - employer won't let you work AND they won't pay you.

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        03.17.10, 06:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • sounds like you need to sit down and write out a contract and negotiate what is not acceptable for you.

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      03.17.10, 06:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • clarify each detail of your vacations and days off .

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      03.17.10, 06:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • truthfully you are right but they are too new to this to understand. I suggest you look for another employer. By the time they get to their third nanny, they will be paying for these things. My former nanny just came to me with a similar story about a family she really liked but had to leave for the same reason.

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      03.17.10, 06:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • When you respond to the contract, you should tell them that you need 52 weeks of pay a year to pay your rent, etc. If they anticipate not needing you 2 weeks a year, maybe you can offer to do additional night time sitting (per your availability up to two nights) and/or address non nanny domestic issues while they are gone, like cleaning out the children't closets or organizing the toys, etc. See how they respond.

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      03.17.10, 06:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • It sounds to me like they can't *really* afford you, but are trying to work it down to a manageable number by giving you unpaid time off ("hey, honey, if we don't PAY her 5 weeks out out of the year, then we can swing this"). They're being clueless and unfair to you. The same thing happened to my former nanny with her next family - the mom was a SAHM (2 y/o and twins) and she would randomly give the nanny unpaid "days off" if her mother or MIL came to help. I agree with the OR above - keep this job for now, but keep looking for things more stable. This family will have trouble retaining anyone under this arrangement.

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      03.17.10, 06:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Employers are wrong. Capping the unpaid vacation at 2 weeks is okay if the annual weekly salary under those terms is still acceptable (i.e. you need to put aside some portion of the salary each week to cover the unpaid weeks). But cutting your weekly hours/salary to half time whenever they please is unacceptable. Tell the to hire an hourly sitter who may or may not be available to them when they are needed. Or ask them if they think it's fair for you to add a clause saying whenever you are little busy you can decide to work half time at half salary and they'll just have to cope.

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      03.17.10, 06:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Here is the harsh truth, you searched long and hard for this job. Jobs are scarce in this economy. Many professionals have had to accept conditions and pay that would have been unacceptable a couple of years ago. I would suck it up for now so you don't lose the position. What *should* happen is irrelevant if you like the job otherwise. Just my opinion.

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      03.17.10, 06:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np I tend to agree. You need this job, right? But point out to them that they are basically only employing you for 11 months of the year, at their convenience not theirs. Then when you find a job with better terms, you can renegotiate, or leave and not feel terribly guilty about it IMO.

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        03.17.10, 06:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I sort of agree with this and sort of don't. they presented you with a contract. what's the harm in negotiating? then, if they say no, you have to decide if you are willing to take the job under these terms.

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        03.17.10, 07:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • ^^but, fwiw, I think the terms are pretty ballsy on their part. and really unreasonable.

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          03.17.10, 07:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • not ballsy in this economy - employees no longer have negotiating power, and employers know it

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            03.17.10, 09:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • It's still wrong, even if employers can get away with it. They are trying to take advantage of their nanny. Not nice, not ethical.

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              03.17.10, 01:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I know it crossed my husband's mind, that maybe our nanny should not get paid for days she does not work, because we are out of town. But I really think this is a terrible job for you. We give our nanny time off as she requests it (wedding or family events) or if she's sick/snowed in, but do not give her any floating vacation. This is because I KNOW I take a lot of time off and she gets paid to work those days. In her 1st year, it was 2 weeks at Christmas, 1.5 weeks at Thanksgiving, 2-4 days each in Oct, April, and July 4th, plus major holidays (not bank holidays - I have to work those). It ended up being around 5 weeks off. I couldn't have let her take an additional 2 weeks of her choice. But I'd never dock her pay for when my mothe...

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      03.17.10, 07:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i can see what the employers are thinking - "we pay her 3 weeks vacation which is more than what most employees get at a company so we're being generous. and any other time she doesnt work for us, why should we pay for services we dont need?" if you were an hourly employee, i would agree with them. however, you are salaried and you are entitled to benefits. i do think 3 weeks is generous vacation time, and if they capped the unpaid vacation to 1 week, i would think that might even be OK. but the other crap? totally unacceptable. you need to keep this job for now but start looking.

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      03.17.10, 07:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • have you considered telling them that you will need to look for other work to fill in the time they aren't paying you? that woudl seem reasoanble and then they have to give you advancenotice ofwhen they wii be away.

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        03.17.10, 07:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • but she will never ba able to fill the half days or the random weeks.Another tactic is to say that they are docking her an extra 4 weeks pay a year total. If she makes 600/week and was expecting 52 weeks pay then she needs to be paid 650/week for 48 weeks. They are equivalent.

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          03.17.10, 07:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • not never, but it will be difficult. however, this request may make them realize how unfair they are being, and that they need to pay for availability.

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            03.17.10, 09:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I do think you are getting screwed, but in this economy you may have to just accept it. We pay our nanny for 52 weeks a year. She gets 4 weeks off (but we mostly choose when), all paid, plus she'll get 2 weeks salary for xmas bonus. She is paid the same weekly salary whether we ask her to work or not, plus overtime (rarely). Plus she gets 10 paid holidays a year. I want her to be happy with us so she'll stay long term. Clearly, at some point you'll find another job, and that family will be SOL.

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      03.17.10, 08:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Nanny employer here - In a good economy, I would just tell you to say no and move on. But you've said you looked for a year already and you need the money to finish school. It really depends how much they are paying you total on the year. Is the total amount acceptable? If it is I would suggest you to take the job and wait and see. If they turn out to be stingy people then you can look for another job in the meanwhile. They could be just well-meaning yet clueless first time parents. If you choose to try it out, you should go back to them and tell them (nicely) you want x days max of unpaid time off per year + how much ahead notification time (so theorectically you can find other p/t work on those days) + 6 days of paid public holidays off ...

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      03.17.10, 08:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Hi everyone, OP here. Thanks for all the advice. . When they called me in response to my ad they asked my going rate and I said between 14-16hr (weekly salary adding up that). They said that the most that they could pay was $650 which I agreed to. When I went in for the interview they said that after asking around and speaking to their friends who were also parents that they thought $600 weekly would be more appropriate. I agreed to 600 because its the least I would take in any job. However I did say that in order for me to take the 600 weekly that my hours would have to be less in order for it to add up to 14 an hour (which I feel that I am worth). I have some college education, speak 2 languages fluently, have a valid drivers license, in ...

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      03.17.10, 12:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • If you do not like the conditions, looks for another position. Get something better and then leave assuming you will not need the reference from your current employer. You can even sign contract if you want, but I do not see why you should. No one I know has a private nanny under contract, this is nonsense. No one is a slave and this is a two way partnership. Either party can go elsewhere if it is not a good fit.

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      03.17.10, 12:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'm a nanny who worked for similar sounding parents in my last job. My advice is to take the job and negotiate for the best terms you can, because you need the job, and like many have said, keep your eyes open for something less frustrating and fairer. These people could very well be clueless, but to come back to you with a lesser amount than the one you advertised, and I understand that they may have just been playing the market, is not how you'd want to begin a relationship with someone working in your home. Those people I worked for did the same thing to me, I took the job with every intention of continuing to look for better people to work for, and I did. As will you. GL.

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      03.17.10, 12:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We are employers in a similar situation in that we take a LOT of vacation and have family up all the time, giving our nanny the day off or way shorter hours when that happens. We have always felt it was only fair to pay her for all of it, but our tradeoff is tat she doesn't get any vacation days of her choosing. (But last year she got essentially 8 weeks paid vacation when all was said and done). Truthfully, it is a bit hard for us to swallow, given all of that paid vacation, but we also accept tat it's unfair on her to dock her pay b/c we want to take our kids somewhere- she is a salaried employee after all. I think that the right solution is what your employers have done- state their terms up front, and negotiate from there. They val...

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      03.17.10, 12:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We always pay our sitter for days that she is scheduled to work, but we don't need her. That really sucks that they want to nickel & dime you like that. It's a bad sign. You should keep looking for a new gig. Sorry!

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      03.17.10, 12:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Like many here we pay 52 weeks a year and for days she is supposed to work but we don't need her. The tradeoff - i pick all vactaion time, of course that means she gets five weeks paid vacation so not too bad. It is totally unfair to not pay you for when in-laws are there etc. I would definitely push back on the unpaid, forced time off.

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      03.17.10, 01:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • You need to strike a balance. It's a bad economy and a lot of people are short on cash. Trickles down. That said, after a while of feeling underpaid, employees leave for greener pastures. If they only have you in mind for a year they may not care if you leave when the economy improves-? Or, they may not be able to afford a FT nanny. You may need to lower your pay expectations.

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        03.17.10, 02:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • As a mom w/ a nanny - get on sittercity and find a new job. They sound like they will end up being flaky and PITAs

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      03.17.10, 05:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]need words of encoragement please.. I have PMS very very bad this month. Horrible depression, anxiety, irritability. I feel so upset and feel like everythign is way worse than I'm sure it really is. I have anxiety and take meds but when PMS hits, even the meds don't work as well. I get night sweats, pee a lot and just feel very upset. this is very difficult and I need to learn how to cope

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    03.15.10, 06:43 AM [ Flag ]
    • Seriously? You get this once a month, and haven't learned how to cope with it yet? How do you get by every day with life? Sheesh!

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      03.15.10, 06:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • it is complicated cause i suffer from clinical anxiety normally which trust me is not a joke. it is weird cause no matter how long you have anxiety (atleast for me) it is hard to deal with when it acts up

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        03.15.10, 06:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • First order of business, ignore the dumb bitch above, Second, answer a question for me, please? Have you had a baby yet? I was in a very similar boat (minus meds, to afraid to even take Nyquil when I'm sick). After having a baby, it was like my entire system regulated. That might be some light at the end of the tunnel. FYI, mean girls, I'm not suggesting she gets knocked-up as a cure-all--just some anecdotal experience. In the meantime, you have to retrain your brain to deal with these tremendous downs. I know it is an uphill battle...been there and my heart goes out to you.

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        03.15.10, 06:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • yes ignore the dumb bitch above and there are several others below. Can't believe it. If they don't suffer from severe PMS they don't think anyone else really does either.

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        03.15.10, 11:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Do you have endometriosis by any chance? I do, and the pill was great for me.

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      03.15.10, 06:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I feel your pain. My PMS used to be so severe, I knew I was going to murder someone, the thought of going to jail was the only thing that kept me from killing anyone, and I mean anyone.

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      03.15.10, 06:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I was you with the night sweats and bad pms. I am going through early perimenopause (my mother did as well and the age you go through it is strongly related to the age your mother went through it). I started on Zoloft because I just couldn't take it anymore. It really seemed to help. I would recommend talking to your gyn and if he/she won't prescribe you something then trying your regular doc or a psychiatrist. I had to see a psychiatrist because the others just didn't seem to get it. Psychiatrists are more med focused than psychologists so don't think that you have to be "certifiable" to go to one. They are more familiar with this disorder. It can really help. Don't let yourself go through this, it's not necessary. Good luck.

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      03.15.10, 06:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • you sound like a whiner and a hypochrondiac. see a doctor if you are sick --otherwise posting this on UB is just whining

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      03.15.10, 06:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Isn't this what UB is for, to support, help and advice each other I thought. You are a mean and ugly human being.

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        03.15.10, 07:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • no --its not. this woman is whining.

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          03.15.10, 07:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ITA. You should by now have learned how to cope and do what's beneficial for yourself, unless you're still in your teens.

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            03.15.10, 07:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Mark my words, one day tragedy will befall you and I earnestly hope you remember this moment and how you treated someone in pain that was looking for help. It all comes full-circle.

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            03.15.10, 07:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Unlike OP, OR won't be on UB asking for 'words of encouragement'.

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              03.15.10, 07:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • aren't you so strong and clever. Indeed you will not be on UB, but will your little brain remember the lack of compassion you showed another human being in pain? Doubtful, I hope you can remember me and my words though, as you sit bitterly typing at your angry desk.

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                03.15.10, 07:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • thank you--i dont want or need words of encouragement from a bunch of anonymous bodies.

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                03.15.10, 07:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Ask yourself what's more pathetic: going on UB to earnestly ask for advice when you're hurting and/or confused or to anonymously pick on someone who is sick, weak and afraid?

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                  03.15.10, 07:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • blah blah blah....i wont be here whining to an anonymous board

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              03.15.10, 07:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • it makes me so sad for humanity to think that I might pass you on the busy streets, all the while oblivious to the darkness in your heart.

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                03.15.10, 07:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Just curious - why do you read the anonymous board? Do you post? And when you do, what do you say? If you aren't asking for help, encouragement or support do you just gloat???

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                03.15.10, 11:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • how dare you say this

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        03.15.10, 11:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I have anxiety but not the bad PMS, but my anxiety is def better when i exercise regularly

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      03.15.10, 07:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I was getting horrible night sweats - not just when I had pms. My friend recommended zoloft to me and it has been remarkable. Since I started no more sweats. I felt that I hadn't slept in months - my eyes were twitching. I am also depressed and it helped that a lot. YOu can start on a really low dose and then ramp up if needed. Ask your doctor about it

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      03.15.10, 07:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • oh by the way - it's zoloft in particular. Lexapro did not help the sweats at all. My friend was put on it bc she had a hysterectomy.

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        03.15.10, 07:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • This worked for me - more exercise, getting more sleep - only recently did I find that it was related to migraines that happen at the same time. A mouthguard helped me stop clenching my jaws at night and grinding my teeth, which got rid of the headaches, helped me get better sleep and smoothed out the PMS.

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      03.15.10, 07:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • NP: I don't understand why some people are being so UNHELPFUL. You deserve to feel better. Ask friends for some OB/GYN referrals because you need a new plan of diet, exercise, meds and whatever else that's available for your problem. Good luck.

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      03.15.10, 07:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I feel for you, OP. My PMS got soooo much better when I started Zoloft. I had night sweats too, like the TOP of my head would be dripping, like a fricking stovetop, I'd just fly out of bed, clothes all wet, ugh. And the mood swings?? I used to HATE my dh during the worst days. It's much better. I also recommend regular exercise and a healthy diet. Try taking more calcium, vitamin d and I also pop a magnesium supplement during the PMS time. Good luck!

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      03.15.10, 08:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Have you tried acupuncture? I know it sounds crazy (and am not a fan of needles AT ALL), but it can really help.

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      03.15.10, 08:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Ahhh. My guess would be you should get off the meds....But hey, its just me.

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      03.15.10, 11:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • talk to your gyn...there are meds for this specific disorder. You take meds for anxiety and say they don't work...your gyn should be able to help you because it sounds like you need to be treated specifically for severe PMS which could very well be a different RX

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      03.15.10, 11:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I agree about trying acupuncture - I'm the woman in this you tube video about PMS and acupuncture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc7e-PVOAvo

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      03.17.10, 06:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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