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  • [-]Other than the cry out method, what worked for you to help your baby sleep through the night?

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    11.10.09, 10:38 AM [ Flag ]
    • this won't help, but she just does, up to 9 hrs at 3 months

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      11.10.09, 10:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • how old is your baby?

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      11.10.09, 10:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • 9 months. He slept quiet well for a little while, then he started teething then rolling, then crawling, and now teething again. I don't have the heart to have him cry out (which we tried for one night). Just want to know if there are any other options.

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        11.10.09, 10:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • are you giving him anything for teething pain? teething tablets? infant motrin?

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          11.10.09, 10:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Infant motrin. But he still wakes up wanting to nurse... and he will fall asleep a minute or two after nursing, but I don't want to make that a habit.

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            11.10.09, 11:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • if he is teething you are just going to have to deal with it, and not worry about it becoming a habit. try the teething tablets, they are very small and melt under the tongue. i did both and it did help, mine is 13 months old and we are dealing with more teething this week. i also have 3 yo, teething is tough and can take forever, off and on

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              11.10.09, 11:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • remember this is pain if it's teething, don't worry about it becoming a habit. you are lucky if he falls asleep in a minute or 2? mine woke from teething last night and didn't want to go back to sleep even after a bottle

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              11.10.09, 11:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • full disclosure... we have naturally good sleepers but one thing that we think helped was using this CD called "The BabySleep System". It's an hour long CD that you can loop to play continuously... has a deep resonant heartbeat bass, some gentle chimes and very slow undulating chords. Is supposed to mimic the sound of the baby's in vitro experience. Don't know if the premise is total bunk or not but our 1st slept thru the night by 8 weeks, twins slept thru the night by 3.5 months. FWIW - we had to employ the CIO method at some point with all three kids but it was (thankfully) very brief... usually 2 nights of about 15-20mins of crying and then it was over for good.

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      11.10.09, 10:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think you have to understand that most of them go through phases. The best thing you can do is teach them to go to bed on their own, keep it dark and don't make it fun for them when they wake up in the middle of the night, have a schedule during the day, make sure they eat enough to be full, and be consistent.

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      11.10.09, 11:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • -- CIO means different things. Some kids cry until they puke and some fuss for 15 minutes for a few nights.

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        11.10.09, 11:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]so desperate for a change in my life that I'm thinking about spending $5k + $5k travel expenses to goto a tony robbins "life mastery" seminar - anyone ever go?

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    11.07.09, 07:29 PM [ Flag ]
    • no, but those types of things aren't my speed. what about immersing yourself in something you've always wanted to do? get all eat, pray, love on us. the seminar will probably say that if you want to live your dreams go do it, so save yourself the $$ and just do!

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      11.07.09, 07:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I would rather spend that money on an awesome trip to a place you always wanted to go... see what happens!

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      11.07.09, 07:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ITA with this. Plan the trip of a lifetime - $10,000 is alot of $$ and will pay for a fantastic vacation. GL!

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        11.07.09, 07:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: I think she would be even more unhappy if she took a 10k vacation, and had to come home to the same miserable life. Maybe a 5 k vacation and 5k of therapy in her hometown.

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          11.08.09, 06:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Take a TRIP (not a vacation...) - an experience in a foreign country, learn the language, stay for a few weeks in a low cost hotel, eat the native food, meet native people, I didn't say blow it on a weekend vacation. I know a few people who went on trips like this and it changed their life - new perspective, new experiences to talk about, new confidence, etc.

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            11.08.09, 06:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Why don't we give you a life mastery session right here and now, then you can go to spa in asia for 4 weeks for half the cost. So what's the problem? Give us some details.

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      11.07.09, 07:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • spa in asia sounds so nice right about now.

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        11.07.09, 07:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • op: I'm very very unhealthy - have seen all types of Drs, looking mainly todo the cleanse..

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        11.07.09, 07:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Okay, so I am psychic responder then. Seriously, you can go to some amazing one month spa trips in Bali or similar, get really healthy and back on track with your life, for not that much, considering. But that cannot be the only thing wrong.

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          11.07.09, 07:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Go to a spa for a week and do a cleanse. Get a therapist with the rest of the money. I really don't think TR is going to change your life.

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          11.07.09, 07:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • is this life-long struggle with weight or recent? if it's life-long, then tony robbins isn't your guy. you want to find a new lifestyle, so pick something like yoga and really get into it. get to know the people, get to hang out with their skinny asses, etc. or, if yoga isn't your thing, find something that is. perhaps horseback riding, or something fun that will get you to fly right because it's a part of your life now.

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          11.07.09, 07:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • fwiw, i went to a destination spa and found it to be a very inspiring experience. i'm not very touchy-feely so wouldn't call it life changing. but it did help me get back on track with a healthy life physically/emotionally. Just being in a quiet, meditative place with the chance to focus solely on my body and mind for 5 days was inspiring. but a self-help type seminar would bore me to tears and elicit way too much snarkiness from me.

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      11.07.09, 07:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • where the heck is the conference that you'd be spending $5K on travel expenses? i smell a fake. soooo ironic.

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      11.07.09, 10:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Worth every penny. I went last year and it was fantastic!!!

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      11.08.09, 05:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • what kind of things do you expect it to change in your life? If you're so unhappy it might harm your children/marriage/career/yourself, anything is worth a shot, if you can afford this. Don't waste money you don't have though.

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      11.08.09, 06:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Go to Rancho La Puerta instead. In Mexico, but yOU fly int0 San Diego and they meet you there. A good place to regroup mentally, spiritually and physically. You can go twice for that price, even with air fare and travel expense....so spend a week now and a week in 6 months to follow up.

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      11.08.09, 06:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Traveling to "find yourself" is a stupid idea and never works. The only thing that can change your life is if you take a RISK. Going to a spa in Bali will not help you discover much about yourself except you like massages and warm weather. Do something that scares you, interests you, etc. For 10k you could take a whole number of classes, etc. I don't think the Tony Robbins thing is a bad idea if it will allow you to explore what you want to do next or give you the courage to do it. But traveling will not help you. You'll come back to the same old life.

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      11.08.09, 06:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • go to canyon ranch

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      11.08.09, 08:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • What do you want to change?

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      11.08.09, 03:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]What are people's experiences with mice? We just killed one and Im so upset! I know they are so unsanitary, but no one really wants to kill anything! Weve tried everything! Glue traps, snap traps, the little discs that they go into and it snaps closed. Ive heard of the noise makers that you plug in, but how could those work? Also, does having a cat really keep them away? We have a small baby and I am at my end! We live in a clean apt in a pretty pre-war walkup, HELP!

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    11.01.09, 09:35 PM [ Flag ]
    • The ONLY thing that works is to search for any holes around the house and seal them (behind kitchen appliances, radiators, around washing machine, every possible place) We've had problems and used everything and that was really the only thing that worked. Trust me. We've also caught mice on glue traps and my husband took it to the park and set them free with oil.

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      11.01.09, 09:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ugh its just so heart breaking to kill them. we saw it on our counter!! With out daughters bottle INCHES away. I went NUTS. we did steel wool in a few places, but still here. does a cat really work? im a dog person, not a fan of cats, but what else to do?!!

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        11.01.09, 09:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Sure, and your folks took Skippy to live on a farm when he got old.

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        11.02.09, 05:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • um...do you really think she'd make this up? Or that her DH would lie to her about it? Signed someone who really did once send her dog to live on a farm :)

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          11.02.09, 08:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Yes. If you are going to use glue traps it is not because you want to catch and release. That is crueler than catch and slam with a rock. (Of course dogs (and cats) are different.)

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            11.02.09, 10:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • In Park Slope, I once set some mice free in front of a neighbor's house I didn't like.

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        11.02.09, 06:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Why didn't you like their house?

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          11.02.09, 08:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • vinyl siding. ugly front porch. a snarky attitude.

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            11.02.09, 08:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ^^, who, grammer police, too bad you can't post in red ink around here. Self righteous, pompous a-hole who looked down his nose at renters in the neighborhood. I had a catch and release trap and took any mice I caught over to his house and let them go.

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            11.02.09, 10:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We had a problem when they were doing work in our apt. They would come and go but it wasn't until dh found the hole that we ended the problem.

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      11.02.09, 04:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • same here, we tried bait and all kinds of traps. only thing that worked was sealing the holes. gl to you, I know how you feel. the few months that this problem lasted, I was a total basket case.

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        11.02.09, 04:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Get a cat. We used to see occasional mice in our pre-war, but got at cat 2 years ago. The mice don't dare enter!!! Suggestion... go to a shelter and find a nice adult cat that's been declawed by the previous owner. Since you live in an apt and the cat will be an indoor cat with no natural predators, it will be fine and so will your baby!

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      11.02.09, 04:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ^^^ BTW... it's not "politically correct" to declaw cats, so if the idea of adopting one appeals to you, just matter of factly point out that you live in an apt and kitty will be strictly an indoor cat. 'nuf said.

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        11.02.09, 04:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Declawing the cat is not the same thing as clipping their fingernails, it's the equivalent of cutting off one's fingers at the knuckle. I considered it when I adopted my cat, but opted against it after doing the research.

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          11.02.09, 06:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • well, you can't blame a homeless kitty for having no claws (I think it's nuts to declaw a cat, btw) but I don't understand how a cat without claws can even kill a mouse. eeeww.

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            11.02.09, 08:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I declawed both of my cats when they were kittens. It was either that or the shelter would have killed them. I think they live a pretty darn nice life without their claws.

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              11.02.09, 08:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Cats grab the prey with their jaws and whip it around to break the neck. No claws needed.

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              11.02.09, 08:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Well, obviously if a previous owner declawed the cats, then the deed is done. I am saying that you don't need to declaw cats without at least giving them a shot at living with them.

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              11.02.09, 08:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • For us, it was either declaw the cats or they wouldn't get adopted by us (and therefore killed by the shelter). I think a pampered life without claws (no predators, clean and warm home, food and water aplenty without need for hunting and scavenging) would be preferable to no life at all.

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                11.02.09, 08:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • You should notlive with vermin in your house -Seal every hole with steel wool packed as tightly as you can, pay special attention to where pipes come in and behind cabinets, mice can slip through incredibly small holes. Set traps inside the house along baseboards - put peanut butter on the spring trigger, but trapping alone will not work as they reproduce so quickly. Noise makers are useless, glue traps are actually worse if you want a humane death - would you rather have your neck swiftly broken or would you rather die of starvation, exhaustion or asphixiation while you struggle in a vat of glue? well probably neither... but refer back to my original point

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      11.02.09, 05:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Get a cat. Absolutely no reason to declaw it.

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      11.02.09, 06:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We had this problem years ago in our old place. At one point DH caught 17 mice in glue traps in a week! THe problem was not resolved until we put out DCON. We didn;t have dcs at the time, so didn;t have to worry about anyone getting into the poison though. Can you go away for a week and do it? Live with grandparents? A friend? A hotel?

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      11.02.09, 06:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i have no objection to animals running free, just not in my house. any animal caught in the house (uninvited) gets labeled as vermin, and there's a no trespassing under penalty of death invoked. i love cats and have one, but don't get one if you want a mouser - it may not be one, and if it is one, you may get mouse corpses in your bed for your troubles. just kill them and seal up the holes.

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      11.02.09, 06:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We plugged up all our holes but then I think the mouse was stuck. Eventually we just put down a snap trap. In the end I couldn't bear the thought of a mouse dying a slow death on a glue trap or the reality of releasing a live mouse on the street.

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      11.02.09, 06:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • you're supposed to check the glue traps every day.

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        11.02.09, 07:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • but then how do you kill the mouse?

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          11.02.09, 07:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • the mice die pretty fast from the struggle.

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            11.02.09, 07:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • erm...they used to use them at a restaurant I worked at (in the basement not the kitchen!) and the mice could live for ages pinned down in the glue. It was horrible. I could never use one.

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              11.02.09, 08:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • i don't want vermin in my house, so by any means necessary has become my motto.'

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                11.02.09, 08:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I'm dealing with them right now too so I'm not judging--all of my Beatrix Potter instincts go out the window when I find poop on the counters--but I just couldn't do it personally. Whereas I have less issue with borrowing a cat to come in and savage them. Hypocritical and irrational, I know.

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                  11.02.09, 08:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • my cat keeps the mice at bay around our house....

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      11.02.09, 08:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • mine is too old to scare a mouse.

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        11.02.09, 08:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • OR i have one of those too...luckily the other guy is still going strong but getting slower thats for sure..;)

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          11.02.09, 08:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • call an exterminator and have them seal up your apt. will cost about 2000 for a small 2 bedroom-- more and more if ur house is bigger. worth every penny. ask if they can guarantee their work for a year- if the prob comes back they reseal for free. some companies offer this. you cant do it nearly as well yourself and neither can your super if he's nice enough to offer.

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            11.02.09, 08:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • EXTERMINATORS: Complete waste of time and money. Our landlord sent exterminators (2 diff companies at different apartments) and they come, act all professional, set steel wool in possible holes, set glue and poison traps all over the house and leave. The mice are back in no time. The only way we got rid of them was to find the holes ourselves. Both times we had mice, there was construction work a few apts away.

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              11.02.09, 09:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • I 2nd this. Ours also set a few snap traps after we explicitly told him not too. One got caught in one and stunk for WEEKS before we figured out where the smell was coming from. He had set it under a radiator cover

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                11.02.09, 09:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Just trap them in a corner with another person to help you out. Put it in a container =)) and pour hot water inside. Cats can help but I wouldn't count too much on it too coz sometimes the mouse can be too big

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      11.02.09, 09:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Like people above said, you HAVE to find the holes....check along the base of your kitchen cabinets...get down and feel all along the base of them and look up where each cabinet meets (when you look inside a cabinet, where you see the 'wall' on the side that is where that cabinet ends.....look up and under at that spot, there may be a little hole that you can't see unless you feel for it. You have to seal all those up, plus make sure your outside doors don't have any gaps and also no gaps around radiator pipes. You'll know they are in your cabinets if you find mouse poop under your kitchen sink. They usually don't seal the walls before installing cabinets. In the kitchen you should make sure you seal off any exit from behind the cabin...

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      11.02.09, 09:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ^^oh and as poster above said, dcon works but more will just keep coming. We finally had our apt sealed up sooo well that there were 6 mice trapped inside. They would hide during the day in closets or behind appliances and come out at night. We had to put long lines of glue traps at certain spots we knew they would cross and eventually caught them all. By this point I didn't give a crap about them suffering. Finding mouse shit in my dc's lunchbox one morning was the last straw for me.

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        11.02.09, 09:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I once had a RAT problem in a country house (no not the Hamptons) and the only thing that worked in the end was poison. We put it under the sink where they were getting in. Since you have a DC, the second best thing would be a cat. I hate them personally, but our DD has become very attached to the one we have which is another benefit.

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      11.02.09, 10:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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