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  • [-]Harvard or MIT?

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    11.14.09, 02:25 PM [ Flag ]
    • for you? what do you want to study?

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      11.14.09, 02:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • for DC. Biology.

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        11.14.09, 02:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: Harvard.

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          11.14.09, 02:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • NNP: I think that dc is really the one who must decide. I'm actually a bio professor, and I can say that they are both great schools in which to study bio! Harvard might be nice if your child decides to switch majors (which most of them do) and opts out of the sciences. I think the most important thing is for your child to make this--one their first big important decisions--primarily on their own though. It's a big step on the road to growing up!

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            11.14.09, 02:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • MIT accepts transfers, Harvard doesn't, if dc can't decide/changes mind later

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      11.14.09, 02:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • How do you know they will both be options? Decisions haven't gone out yet! I wouldn't count on getting into both these places, it is just too random. Friend's kid got into Harvard and Yale but not Princeton (where she really wanted to go). You just can't tell! I would advise DC to apply broadly and then go to the school that feels right for them.

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      11.14.09, 03:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Right. Apply to both and don't worry about it until she is accepted to both, which is very unlikely. PS, Congratulations to dc if he/she is accepted both places. Dc must be be very smart.

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        11.14.09, 03:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Harvard. Much nicer campus, more varied student body, but of course i did not attend MIT so it's hard to truly compare without attending both.

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      11.14.09, 03:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Harvard. Bigger name. More connections

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      11.14.09, 03:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Both! My co-worker went to MIT for undergrad and Harvard for med school. Don't limit yourself!

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      11.14.09, 04:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I loved two schools and did the same thing. One school for undergrad, one for grad. I didn't really plan it that way, but it worked out!

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        11.14.09, 04:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Harvard...96% med school "exmissions" acceptance rate if dc wants to go that route. Also great if your child changes his/her mind and wants to study something else. MIT...not so great if child doesn't want to do science.

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      11.15.09, 03:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • You'll get a better education at MIT, but there is greater diversity at Harvard.

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      11.15.09, 03:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • My brother went to Harvard and I think the education was truly wasted on him. Couldn't care less about anything outside of Wall Street. I don't know why these Ivy League schools are educating students to be so globally unaware. I really don't think any of these Ivy League institutions have any clues about how to make a person really socially aware of the world. I think you travel abroad and study - go see India and Africa - get of out of the box.

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        11.15.09, 08:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Is this sarcasm?

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          11.15.09, 08:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Seriously? Harvard is one of the most socially aware schools out there. Students are involved in service and education all over the world through Harvard programs, not to mention all the international students and faculty. You have to recognize, though, that we're talking about elite American universities and there are limits to the perspective such places can impart.

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          11.15.09, 09:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • i know a ton of people who went to harvard undergrad (i was there for law school) and I agree with the or about the myopic view. very few are globalists or even world-aware. I did find it to be very racially diverse and this was in the late 80s/early 90s.

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            11.15.09, 10:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]No flames please - I have a demanding job, work 10-14 hours a day. I have no choice as I'm the breadwinner. Most days, I see my 1 yr old for 20-40 minutes/day. While I stayed at home with him for the first 6 months, I don't feel like I'm bonding enough with dc. How do you bond with your 1 yr old?

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    11.13.09, 09:24 AM [ Flag ]
    • Let your child take the lead. My dd will walk around and bring us books she wants to read, toys she wants to play. Just sit on the floor and let her come to you.

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      11.13.09, 09:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Is there any way you can modify your schedule? Come home for lunch? Go into work late/come home early one day a week? Is your partner home with the child or at least have a more flexible schedule?

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      11.13.09, 09:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Another WOHM here so you'll get no flames from me. In my own experience, the interaction with a 1 yr old tends to still be very labour/care intensive (feeding, cleaning, diapering etc) so actual bonding opportunities are limited even if you are there all day long. Not to say that you don't have bonding moments during routine care of your child but it's not like the type of moments you will have when your child is older. I would just make the most of the 20-40 mins you DO have with your child and realize there will be times in the future to continue to cement your relationship. This is the reality of your current situation so no use in beating yourself up about it. Like many things, parenting is a marathon... not a sprint. Good luck! ...

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      11.13.09, 09:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • you can't bond with your child, i'm sorry to say, if you only see him for 20-40 minutes a day. you're not the one who provides nurturing, security, care or even fun, sad to say. it's a reality you have to accept. if you can't accept it, then change your demanding work life very soon. you say you're the breadwinner - does your dh stay home and raise ds? in a way, that is not so bad as they'll have a special bond, but if a caregiver is with ds, i don't know what to say. i couldn't do it that way.

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      11.13.09, 09:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • develop a special hello and goodbye routine, maybe with a song.

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      11.13.09, 09:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • You do what you can and make sure that the time you do have you are totally present (no blacberrying, etc. on the side). You do the best you can and be as consistent as possible in terms of the time of day you do spend w/ dc. I know: it's really hard to be a full-time working mom. I feel for you.

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      11.13.09, 09:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Can you adjust your schedule or your DS's so that you have more time during the week? My workday + commute is also around 12 hours. My DC have always stayed up until 8/9pm, so we have time together in the evenings. (They took a later afternoon nap when they were younger, we had them in afternoon preschool and kindergarten so they didn't have to get up early in the morning.)

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      11.13.09, 09:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • make sure whoever is doing the caregiving during the day takes care of all the "dirty work" so that you can spend the entire 20 - 40 minutes reading, playing, singing or whatever. I assume you make the most of the weekends?

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      11.13.09, 10:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Not sure. I see DS for four hours a day and I can't figure this out. He seems perfectly content to play by himself. I try to engage him as much as I could but he loves independent play.

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      11.13.09, 10:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Have you considered co-sleeping? I think there definitely is bonding going on when they can smell your scent all night. My husband works a ton and loves to sleep with our young kids for this reason.

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      11.13.09, 11:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My 18 mo ADORES my dh right now. He's all play and fun- I'm the boring one who stays at home and makes lunch and changes diapers. There will be phases when you will be the person he loves the most, just wait.

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      11.13.09, 11:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • would co sleeping work for you? or bring him in the bed at 4-5 am? helps a lot with my kids

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      11.13.09, 11:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]I'm educated up the wazoo. TT boarding school, ivy college, med school and looking back...I don't feel like I got full value for my (and my parents') money. So much of it just seemed like jumping through hoops. I love my career but I feel like I wasted a lot of years "prepping" for the part that was truly useful. I'd like to do better by my dc and I don't think that means better schools.

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    11.12.09, 07:15 PM [ Flag ]
    • That's because med school is a professional degree and not an academic degree. If you had spent 4 years + residency on academia, you would feel differently. Honestly, all this "best schools" stuff is only for academic snobs - and we have none of those on UB that I have seen. Not the average UMC Jane who wants the best for her kids.

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      11.12.09, 07:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Med school + residency was worth it but I took all these great courses in middle school, HS, and college and I was only gunning for grades. I don't think it really improved my current quality of life. I wish I had done it differently yet still ended up where I am...just with more true education. Does this make any sense?

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        11.12.09, 07:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • NP: Sure, and I definitely think you can encourage your kids to focus on what's important (learning and not necessarily grades). I think my parents did this. They sent me to the best schools and loved to read and learn themselves, but they never really expected me to get amazing grades or pursue graduate studies unless it's what I wanted. I ended up in academia because I feel like I get to keep learning every day! My husband is a doctor and he tells me the same thing about learning every day... but I think he also feels that much of his school was a waste of time that made him into a doctor, which is where he truly wanted to be.

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          11.12.09, 07:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • How did your parents do this? Can you give examples? THX

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            11.12.09, 07:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I guess it was mostly attitude. My friends' parents would hound them about their grades, what they wanted to do when they grew up, what college they wanted to go to, extracurriculars... my parents just let me be. If I expressed interest in something, then they would always provide support. But they never pushed me, the way that a lot of parents do. I think it was in response to the way they had been raised (lots of pressure to excel at everything). I think they provided great examples themselves. They both have passions outside of work, and spend lots of time learning and practicing these things.

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              11.12.09, 07:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Yikes, my only passion outside of work is being with my kids, but they're young. I'm happy my parents pushed me otherwise I wouldn't have made it through but I wish I would have seen the value of learning for itself + get the grades.

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                11.12.09, 07:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I don't know, I bet you would have made it through yourself! You can never know what could have been I guess. My parents didn't push me and I got stellar grades... DH's mom hounded him relentlessly (if there is a respectable profession other than doctor, I don't think she knows about it) and he had a lot of trouble making the grades he needed, just because I think the fun kind of got zapped out of learning for him. Kids are different, so probably different approaches are needed based on what yours are like. But my sister and I both ended up professors!

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                  11.12.09, 07:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • My parents were the same way. They never pushed. When I decided to follow my mom's example and go to law school, there was support but no excitement. She and I have taken very different paths in our legal careers, but I'm not sure she things being an attorney is all that fab.

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                11.12.09, 08:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Yes, you certainly do sound so educated. It's a shame.

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      11.12.09, 07:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • A truly educated person wouldn't say "I am educated up the wazoo." That sounds like something a poser would say. People with a lot of education and smarts doesn't use phrases like this, at least not any I have ever met.

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      11.12.09, 07:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Such an interesting post -- I'll be watching it. So hard not to do the jumping through hoops thing; my daughter is in college now and I think back sometimes on the SAT prep classes, the hours and HOURS of HW for her TT school, the fatigue -- I wish I could have some of that time back to spend doing nothing with her.

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      11.13.09, 02:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I could have written this post. I don't know what the solution is, and I love my career but I could never just "enjoy learning." The result/grade was of CRITICAL importance. I still feel this way when maintaining my certification- I always have to keep an eye on the test.

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      11.13.09, 06:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]thinking about school - looking back over the past 5-10 years, what do you regret most about school decisions for your dc? why? what would you do differently?

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    11.10.09, 07:42 AM [ Flag ]
    • je ne regret rien

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      11.10.09, 07:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I wish we had moved out of NYC (from a school standpoint) before my oldest started K. I wish we had never gone through the whole private/G&T scramble....it was a waste of time and energy for us. But I was so worried we'd be unhappy in the burbs. Of course going through all that and THEN moving could very well be one of the reasons I am much happier now. (we moved when oldest was starting 2nd grade)

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      11.10.09, 07:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Absolutely nothing

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      11.10.09, 07:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • prep my oldest dd at age 4 for the erb

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      11.10.09, 08:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • probably would have chosen preschool on proximity and convenience vs. reputation

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      11.10.09, 08:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • very unhappy with one dc's school. to the point where i'm tempted to try to switch him midyear.

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      11.10.09, 08:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I wouldn't have blown a quarter of a million dollars on private school. DS didn't even make it into an Ivy, and yet his friend (our neighbors' kid), after 13 years of public school, got into Yale.

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      11.10.09, 09:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • hate to say it but I think there are a lot of those out there. A huge portion of the kids I knew in college (Ivy) were from big public schools in all kinds of random places, but they were ass-kickingly smart and driven.

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        11.10.09, 09:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • we ended up going public for dc but went thru the private process. Was sitting in one school with other parents waiting for our tour and overheard this one mom saying she had an 18 yo (plus the K child she was applying for) and that her 18 yo went to 92Y, then Dalton then Suny Binghamton (which is a fine school, I know)...but she said, and I quote, "he did GREAT in the admissions process for preschool and K, but not so well for college"....I almost laughed out loud because of the "credit" she was ascribing her son at age 2 and 5.

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          11.10.09, 09:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • According to their posted stats, in the last 6 years Dalton has sent at most 1 child to Binghampton.

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            11.10.09, 10:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • NP: That's not the point, you know. And FWIW, for me, Dalton sending only one dc to Binghamton in 6 years does not necessarily speak well for them.

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              11.10.09, 11:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • I'd much rather my kid go to a top rated public university than a middling private; that's when I'd be miffed about spending money on all that tuition.

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                11.10.09, 12:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • NP: what gets me about all this is how much you all seem to care about what college your children are going to go to. If you plan for them to attend nothing short of an Ivy League school get ready for disappointment, no matter where you live or where DC goes to school, it is extremely hard to get tehre AND, and it means that you see anything less as a failure. This is a great curse on our American University system, there are 8 schools that everyone wants and if you didn't get in to a place that is 4 years of your life, the rest of it is ruined. I met a woman who went to williams, an absolutely top notch school who was 39 and still lamenting not going to Yale. I mean seriously, it just doesn't matter. I would rather focus on the education ...

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                  11.10.09, 12:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • well, then I guess that was that kid! Who knows.....and I don't believe their posted stats anyway

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              11.10.09, 12:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • First, Binghamton is a great school. In my days, kids assumed Binghamton was a better school than NYU and smart kids chose B over NYU or many small lib colleges. Second, that parent sounds like a loon and glad "new" dalton is diff and draws diff people.

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            11.10.09, 03:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • And yet...only 1 kid to Binghamton from Dalton? Doesn't sound too middle class to me.

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              11.10.09, 04:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Who said it was middle class? FA kids get scholarship for college, too. Many families who pay 100% don't have much left after tuition but if you can pay $35k after taxes (or double that with 2 kids), you are no longer middle class. But that is true of all privates, isn't it? Plus, most selective public HS send their kids to private schools, not just public univ.

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                11.10.09, 04:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • There are always many kids from top public HSs - both NYC and suburban - who go to SUNYs, esp Binghamton. It's just economics.

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                  11.10.09, 05:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • THE PURPOSE OF PRIVATE IS NOT TO GET INTO AN IVY. It is shocking that is how you measure the 13 year experience. In fact, I call FAKE.

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        11.10.09, 11:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • THEN WTF IS THE PURPOSE OF PRIVATE SCHOOL, OTHER THAN KEEPING YOUR KIDS AWAY FROM THE COLORED KIDS?

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          11.10.09, 12:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np: to get a good education? learning for the sake of learning? spending 13 important childhood years in a challenging, supportive environment? sometimes public schools simply do not offer these things.

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            11.10.09, 12:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Are you for real? Do you think 13 years of life and education in the child's most formative years make no difference unless they get into Harvard? Any parent who picks elementary school with Ivy on their brain is an idiot.

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            11.10.09, 12:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Uh, my dc's at Dalton and we chose D over other schools dc was accepted to bec of its diversity among other things...

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            11.10.09, 02:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • FAKE

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        11.10.09, 06:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • would have prepped for the olsat

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      11.10.09, 09:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ditto. missed citywide by a point and i hate knowing we'll have to go through the ms scrum in 6 years.

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        11.10.09, 11:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I don't have any regrets except the stress involved in the whole process, but I don't think that could have been avoided without knowing the outcomes ahead of time.

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      11.10.09, 09:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • How does/should one manage the stress? It's quite a lot, even if you feel good about how it's all going.

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        11.10.09, 11:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I regret pulling my daughter out of supposedly second-tier private and putting her into a G & T public. Seriously, it was the biggest mistake I've made as a parent.

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      11.10.09, 10:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • give birth to the highly gifted november baby before the speech delayed may baby.

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      11.10.09, 10:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Sending dc to public K at 4 and not even trying for private Ks.

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      11.10.09, 12:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • why please?

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        11.10.09, 12:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Now in fourth grade and realizing that we really wanted private, so have to go through the middle school process where there are far fewer spots. And it is further complicated by the fact that dc is too young for grade in private, and even if the school no longer cares for sixth grade applicants I am not sure I want dc so much younger than everyone else. Really wish we had done private right off the bat.

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          11.10.09, 01:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Would have considered private. In a very good G&T but never even considered the private route.

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      11.12.09, 04:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Lost way too many brain cells worrying about schools. Could have spend those hours creating something or enjoying the kids or just chilling out and it would have been better for our family.

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      11.12.09, 07:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]My teen daughter is very very sad about something that happened in her school last week, i dont know what happened i have already talked to her but i didn't get any new information. I Dont Know what to do, should i call the school and ask if something bad happened to her? Shes at a private TT school,btw.

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    11.11.09, 01:52 PM [ Flag ]
    • Wow, I am so sorry. Maybe you could try calling the counselor? I'm not sure that they would know either, though. It seems like they are usually kind of out of it. Stuff like this breaks your heart.

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      11.11.09, 01:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • especially since she's at a private TT school, btw.

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        11.11.09, 02:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • do not go to the counselor, her friends' parents, her friends or anyone else trying to get information unless, and only unless you think she was raped or harmed in some way. Being this intrusive is just awful. OP should leave the doo open and then be supportive if her dd wants to talk. the idea of asking everyone if they know what's up shows a total lack of judgement with respect to her privacy

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        11.11.09, 06:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • What does tt have to do with anything?

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      11.11.09, 01:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • It puts it into proper perspective. The definition of "something very very sad" happening at a private TT school would be someone dropping their iPhone into the toilet, or losing the diamond necklace that Daddy gave them for Christmas. "Something very very sad" happening in a public school would be a school shooting.

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        11.11.09, 01:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • i hate you, but pray for your soul.

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        11.11.09, 06:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'm so sorry, that must be so hard. I think I would ask the teacher, I would for my DD but she's only 10. Good luck.

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      11.11.09, 01:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'd try getting in touch with her friends' parents before I called the school.

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      11.11.09, 02:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • i thought that too. But seems like she doesn't want me to know what happened, if i ask her friends what happened she could get more hurt.

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        11.11.09, 02:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • "She's at a private TT school,btw"? oh boy.

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      11.11.09, 02:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Sorry to hear about your DD. Being a teenager can be so, so hard, especially a teenage girl. Do you think it was something that happened to her personally, rather than to the school? Just wondering b/c I am sure the school would've sent a note home. Could it be that she was rejected by a crush, got a really bad grade, etc? I know when my DD was in HS, those were huge things to her and she was understandably upset.

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      11.11.09, 02:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Don't, don't, don't call the school. That will only signal that you don't trust her and she will totally clam up when something significant happens. Be sympathetic but not a push over (homework still needs to get done) and mind your own business if it kills you.

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      11.11.09, 02:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • All this makes perfect sense if she's a normal teenager but what really throws me is that this was allowed to happen at a tt private school. One would think that this sort of thing would not be tolerated and frankly, I'm aghast.

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      11.11.09, 02:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Is there a trusted extended family member that your DD likes and would feel comfortable confiding in? You could tell aunt, cousin, etc that they can tell DD that they won't tell you what exactly is the problem as long as she isn't in danger.

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      11.11.09, 02:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I was going to recommend something along these lines. She needs to know that it will be in confidence, provided her health and well being are not in danger.

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        11.11.09, 02:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • If the school knows about it and thinks it is something a parent should know about, they would call you. It is most likely something that seems soul crushing to a teenage girl and not noticed or known by any school employees. I think the best you can do is say that you know something is upsetting her, you would like to know what it is and help her, remind her you were her age once, tell her you love her and that if and when she wants to talk, you'll be there.

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      11.11.09, 02:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • This has got to be YET ANOTHER fake post. What in God's name does the "private TT" have to do with anything? Fake, fake, fake.

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      11.11.09, 03:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • she is just used to saying "my dd, who is in a private tt school, btw" I knew a woman in Greenwich who always said, my dd, who went to Ms. Potts (or whatever the schools is called) with Caroline, btw.

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        11.11.09, 04:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Ask her if it was a teacher (male/ female) or student (male / female). At least it would give you direction.

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      11.11.09, 06:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]I was planning to move to Park Slope. But it seems that there are no decent public high schools in the area. Is this true? Are there any relatively affordable private schools in the neighborhood?

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    11.10.09, 01:49 PM [ Flag ]
    • by high school kids travel all over the city. surely that isn't a show stopper.

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      11.10.09, 01:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Your both right. OP: there is no decent local HS in the area.

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        11.10.09, 01:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • which high school would you suggest for the kids that is within proximity to Park Slope?

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        11.10.09, 01:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • what are his/her interests and what grade is the child in now? brooklyn tech is only a bus ride away, but i don't know if she's transferring or shooting for something new.

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          11.10.09, 02:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • the kid is little, but wanted to see where we should live going forward. I don't want to buy an apartment and then move away. So curious to know which high schools would be a good option. Brooklyn Tech is great, but it's very selective. What if my child does not get admitted? I need to have other options.

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            11.10.09, 02:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • again, there are tons of options throughout the city. very few people go to their "local" public hs. where were you planning on having him go anyway (if you didn't move)

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              11.10.09, 02:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • If you feel that way you need to live in the suburbs. In NYC, all kids select high schools and travel to them (unless you are a very poor student).

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              11.10.09, 02:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • ignorant much, poor kids take the subway too. you post is offensive.

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                11.10.09, 02:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • No, I mean below average student -- not "poor" as in don't have alot of money! Please!

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                  11.10.09, 02:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • this reflexive "your post is offensive" is getting old. I've seen you write it (exact same wording despite your forthcoming claim it was not you) on multiple posts. Let me guess - you aren't even poor, but are offended on behalf of poor people everywhere?

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                  11.10.09, 02:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • What especially silly is that she jumped at the word "poor" without even looking at the context. Unless children have direct access to a trust fund, or are working actors, they are poor (it is their parents who have money). And I wasn't even referring to a family's economic status anyway, I was referring to whether a student performed poorly academically.

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                    11.10.09, 03:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Tech is a test in school, meaning a kid would have to take the specialized exam to get in.

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            11.10.09, 02:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • High schools are not zoned, so it really doesn't matter. Many Bklyn kids go all over the city to school, to Beacon, Laguardia, Hunter, etc. Brooklyn Tech is first rate. Privates include Berkeley Carroll, Brooklyn Friends, Poly Prep, Packer, St. Ann's (but impossible to get into for HS).

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      11.10.09, 02:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • This OP. Thanks so much for this info. I did not know that the high schools are not zoned!

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        11.10.09, 02:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • NP: not only are high schools not zoned, but if you live in Park Slope (District 15) middle schools aren't zoned either! On the other hand, there are quite a few good options to choose from (dc must apply) and by the time your dc gets there, everything will probably have changed anyway, including high school. So making a decision based on high school is pointless, unless you move to the suburbs. Signed, D15 mom of 5th grader.

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          11.10.09, 02:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I live in Park Slope, and FWIW, I don't see many teenagers. The ones I do see are on the F train in the morning going into the city (probably Stuy?) and on the R/M getting off at DeKalb (Brooklyn Tech). I have been wondering if most people move out of Park Slope before high school, because it seems like it is mostly babies, toddlers, and elementary school kids.

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      11.10.09, 02:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I know lots of teenagers in Park Slope -- believe me, all the parents who made 321 such a good school did not move out of the 'hood (although of course some did). They go to schools like Beacon, Bard, Laguardia -- until you have older dcs, you don't have any clue about the system, but they definitely aren't all going to Stuy.

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        11.10.09, 02:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • that's good to know. I just meant that i don't see them walking around, while the younger kids are everywhere.

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          11.10.09, 02:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • That's because they leave around 7 am to travel to HS and don't get home until 5 at the earliest.

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            11.10.09, 03:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]at what age did your dc or any dc you know start reading 3 letter words?

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    11.09.09, 08:21 PM [ Flag ]
    • Friend's child did this at two. Mine were four and five.

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      11.09.09, 08:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 5.5 yo.

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      11.09.09, 08:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • #1 by 3rd bday; #2 a little over 3yo; guessing #3 will be much later simply becaues having seen how little early reading means, I'm not as motivated to teach it young.

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      11.09.09, 08:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Wow is this an ignorant response. Early reading isn't "prep" for some alpha parent milestone. Reading engages the brain and increases all sorts of intellectual synapses. I hope your dc succeed despite your trailer trash attitude.

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        11.10.09, 01:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np--I've never heard of a biological advantage to early reading. Can you cite any studies? There's no need to call someone offensive names, by the way. (I lived in a trailer as a child.) Many people don't put much stock in early reading. Love of books is important and that can be encouraged by reading to your child.

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          11.10.09, 03:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • to the np who called the above poster trailer trash, i really don't think you know what you're talking about. i find no advantage in CRAMMING reading,letters, etc. into my 3 year old's brain. we read to her constantly and she loooooves books, but am i drilling her on letters and numbers? uh-uh. if you want to know the truth, a parent that eager to force rote learning down a child's throat at that early an age is trashy to me.

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          11.10.09, 06:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • And, it's clear that lady has been watching too many of those trashy "My bay-beh can reeeeeeeeeeeeeed!" commercials on TV.

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            11.10.09, 06:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • if your kid is going to take the olsat next year you'll need her to know these things. Unfortunate or not it's the only way to score high on the bracken.

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            11.10.09, 06:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • OR: way to completely misrepresent the spirit of my response. i read to my #3 (2yo) nightly and older two kids almost nightly. i expose 2yo to letters, sounds, etc, but I've given up that ftm mentality that i'm doing him a disservice if he's not learning early. what I learned with my oldest (9yo) is that all that early prep did not have any bearing on her later love for or skill in reading - and it was hard work! so why not let my 2yo learn at his own pace? he's a different little guy than my other two and has different strengths. drilling him isn't good parenting, and i'm glad i've learned that.

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          11.10.09, 11:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My son was just over three years old. He is five now and reads chapter books. But all that said, it never even tested well enough to get into G&T or Anderson. It doesn't matter when they start. Just read to your kids and keep the idiot box off as much as possible.

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      11.10.09, 06:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • dd just starting at 3.4. She loves doing starfall and is starting to recognize those 3 letter wrods in books.

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      11.10.09, 06:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My kid just started doing this and she is almost 3. My son started when he turned 4.

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      11.10.09, 07:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]What do you think of this? My dd had her Bat Mitzvah a few weeks ago. She did great and had a great time, but it was a family fiasco. We showed a montage of photos of dd from babyhood through the present. My parents are LIVID that they were not in enough of the photos. The feel very slighted and hurt. I am so hurt that they tainted the party by having this reaction, and it certainly has affected my and dh's relationship with them ever since. I feel this is so out of character for them.

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    11.10.09, 06:37 AM [ Flag ]
    • Lesson learned: always count the number of times everyone shows up in the pictures. I get where your parents are coming from. When you don't have 1 group in as many pics as others, it's very hurtful. It makes you feel forgotten or unappreciated. It may have simply been an oversight, but it makes you feel lousy. I'm sorry it happened and that it tainted the bat mitzvah, but I get the hurt feelings.

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      11.10.09, 06:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • please her parents are acting like big babies, this is NOT about them

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        11.10.09, 06:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • ITA!

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          11.10.09, 07:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • OP: Thank you. That's what I think. If they felt something was off, I think the way to handle it would be this: A week later (NOT during the party) say that they were hoping there would have been more photos of themselves.

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          11.10.09, 07:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • It wasn't their Bat Mitzvah. They sound a bit arrested, but that's not too uncommon. It is too bad for them; don't let it take you over.Acknowledge their feelings without owning responsibility. Bummer...

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            11.10.09, 07:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Thank you. This is helpful. It's not as if there were NO photos of them. There were five of my mom and three of my dad.

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              11.10.09, 07:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • We DID count! The numbers weren't exact, but they were very close. My parents claim that they were hurt that none or few of the photos were of them ALONE with my dd. They were in group shots of the whole family.

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        11.10.09, 06:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • were there shots of the other grandparents alone with dd? just trying to understand where they are coming from -- if not, they are nuts, if yes, i understand they felt slighted but they should grow up and not make such a fuss. sad all around. but the thing is, you cannot control if they FEEL hurt, that is honest. find a photo of them alone with DD, blow it up, frame it, give it to them with a nice, loving note from DD.

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          11.10.09, 08:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Yes, there were photos of the other g-parents alone with dd. What happened was this: My parents (the ones who are hurt) spend a lot of time with my dc and are very close to them, have a great relationship with them. We go on vacations with them (they treat us) and we spend time at their vacation house together. In contrast, DH's parents are very elderly, don't spend as much time, and don't really have a relationship with my dc. DH was very concerned about the montage being too over the top with photos of my parents, so he tried to tone it down a bit. In the end, he might have toned it down too much -- but it was not as if my parents were omitted from the montage.

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            11.10.09, 08:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Do you think it would help to explain this? Tell them you didn't want to rub your IL's noses is what great relationship they have with DD. They're being comepletely ridiculous, btw.

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              11.10.09, 08:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Thanks for your support. They already know this. But they think dh went overboard. DH was the one who put it together, and he worked really hard on it. It's not so easy. There were a lot of considerations besides the number of shots of each person. He tried to select shots that dd looked good in, a certain number of photos for each stage of her life and various activities, etc.

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                11.10.09, 08:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • That is really tough. I think they are being unreasonable, but still it's hard to have close family members so out of sorts. I would give them some time to chill and hopefully they'll realize they are being ridiculous.

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      11.10.09, 06:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • this happened with my wedding. we got the prints back and guess what, the photog didn't take pics of the in-laws' family. worse than that, the in-laws are from out of town and their family had all flown in for the wedding. mil was upset for years. shoot, i'm sure she still is. anyway, don't fret b/c it's water under the bridge. in-laws will calm down...eventually.

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      11.10.09, 07:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I really think you need to tell them to grow up.

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      11.10.09, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • It was about your daughter, ABOUT HER. When you have an anniversary party for your parents, it can be about them.

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      11.10.09, 09:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i think they are wrong to feel hurt. but i think you are just as guilty by letting it blow out of proportion and letting it affect your relationship. let them know that you certainly didn't intend to hurt them, you feel secure in the strength of their relationship with dcs. if they want to be upset further, let that be their problem. don't let it become your issue as well.

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      11.10.09, 09:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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