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  • [-]Copycat of another post: Anyone other then op of the previous post have reactions to the MMR vaccine? OR no reaction at all? How old was dc when they got it and what were the reactions, and had dc ever had any reactions to other vaccine prior? Does anyone die from this? (for the record, I am PRO vaccine and am just worrying) My dd is getting hers next week.

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    03.18.10, 09:45 PM [ Flag ]
    • op: mommies, I know you are TIRED of hearing about vaccines, but please offer some advice. I am literally sitting here in tears. I am SO stressed over the idea of my baby either a) having a reaction to the vaccine or b) getting one of the illnesses in the future. I can't pray enough that we make the right decision and our dd is fine, but man am I worked up. I would never forgive myself if I made the wrong decision and hurt my db.

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      03.18.10, 10:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • listen. stop freaking out. the chances of your daughter having a severe reaction are very very slim. if your daughter has no allergy history and has responded well to past vaccines, she will be fine.

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      03.18.10, 10:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • hit enter too soon. you have no idea how this will turn out in the end. what you can do is make an educated decision. the facts show that for a majority of the population vaccines are 100 percent safe. there are people who do have bad reactions to them just like people have bad reactions to certain foods. you have to decide if the fear of not knowing is greater than your knowledge on the importance of vaccinating. stop worrying. everything will be ok :)

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        03.18.10, 10:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • op: thank you for the kind words. for lack of better term I'm 'Scared Shi*less'. does anyone even KNOW a kid that had reactions?

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          03.18.10, 10:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • It sounds like you understand intellectually that it's a good decision but you're just having an emotional reaction. That happens to me sometimes too. Do you still have any older relatives, like grandmothers or whatever? Or do you know any elderly people? I suggest you ask them about childhood diseases and to tell you a little about their brothers and sisters and cousins who died. Usually they're happy to reminisce (there's no one else still alive who knew these kids so no one talks about them anymore) plus it will remind you why you're doing what you're doing.

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      03.19.10, 02:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Honestly? You should get off UB. I am saying this gently because I find myself in the same situation, often. Things that I know are obviously fine to do get me all antsy when I come here. The vast majority of people have NO reaction. NONE. Not even a fever. My kid has never had a reaction to a vaccine, other than a fever back when she was maybe four months old? Nothing Tylenol couldn't control.

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      03.19.10, 02:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • OP, I am a pediatrician and a mom of3. honestly, it sounds like you know it is a good decision, but things you have heard are freaking you out. GET OFF THE INTERNET :). I dont meant that literally but...I mean, stop believing what you hear from anonymous posters on a website. people post things to be inflammatory or to start flame wars. dont read into it too much. lots of kids (1 of my own 3 included!) feel achy or develop flu-like symptoms after the MMR vaccine. One of my sons develops a slight fever. a rash is less common but can occur as well...but the overwhelming majority of kids get right back to the business of playing and never feel achy or anything at all. please dont worry so much!!!

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      03.19.10, 04:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My dd had a rash a week later. But It wasn't a big deal. Cleared up in a day and didn't seem to itch. Not sure if it's related but she also got a rash when she was put on amoxicillan.

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      03.19.10, 04:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Vaccinators: The possible side effects of the MMR vaccine include (but are not limited to) fever, rash, seizures, organ swelling deafness, coma, permanent brain damage, and Death. The possible effects of ACTUALLY getting Measles or Mumps are fever, rash, seizures, organ swelling, deafness, permanent brain damage, and death. I mean, really... You can compare apples and oranges, but I don't think vaccinating makes you any safer.

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    03.18.10, 05:19 PM [ Flag ]
    • then don't vaccinate. who cares? its your kid

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      03.18.10, 05:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I just hate the sanctimommies who act like they are protecting their children and humanity from these horrible diseases, when in reality, you are just trading one evil for another. And allowing the gov't to weaken your children and compromise their health. Have to wonder who's pocket that is lining.

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        03.18.10, 05:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • As long as everyone ELSE is vaccinating, or the vast majority, then not vaccinating your dc doesn't make much of a difference. However, if people like you are successful in convincing everyone else not to vaccinate, believe me, you wouldn't be so blase about it.

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          03.18.10, 05:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Thats not what I think. Measles and Mumps sound a lot better than the risks of vaccination. Maybe we would not have such a problem with over population.

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            03.18.10, 05:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Oh my god. This is amazing. I can't believe someone actually said that. Thank you, botard, I will copy and paste this statement as representative of what the vaccines are the debbil crew think like.

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              03.18.10, 05:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • OP: I Just want to point out that I did not post that and it is not my point of view in the slightest.

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                03.18.10, 05:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Aww, too bad, that would have been too awesome. Okay, soooo, do you have any actual numbers for us?

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                  03.18.10, 05:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Np: Yes the poor people would all die from lack of health care. Nice. Think its been done before with small pox. Wasn't that the plan to get rid of the native american "problem."

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              03.18.10, 05:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • how likely are these side effects? does anyone know anyone who's child had these effects?

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      03.18.10, 05:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I just looked on wikipedia. (Not my favorite source of information, but it referenced a few scientific journals.) Vaccinating far outweighs getting it. I'd hate for my child to have to go through actually having measles if it could be avoided.

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        03.18.10, 05:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • literally, a story just came out about an 11 year old boy who was normal until he was vaccinated, and started regressing. He started having seizures and has permanent brain damage, mentality of a 14 month old. All because of MMR. Court ruling.

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        03.18.10, 05:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Even if that is totally true (and btw court rulings are not synonymous with scientific proof) that's one "interesting" story. Please, some numbers on the effects of actually getting measles, mumps and rubella?

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          03.18.10, 05:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • since when does a court ruling equal medical fact? There are other medical conditions that can cause this same type of syndrome.

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          03.18.10, 06:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • They had to prove it with medical evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, and Big Pharma poured a lot of money into this case to shut things up.

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            03.18.10, 07:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • are you saying the boy wasn't vaccinated until he was 11? Or that he was vacinated as a 1 yo and they just had the ruling now?

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          03.19.10, 02:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • This means nothing to me without actual numbers. What are the chances of these side effects of the vaccine, versus the chances of getting measles or mumps, versus the chance of a catastrophic outcome such as fever, rash, etc, from having measles or mumps? Also, this doesn't take into account the fact that if you opt for the latter risk (getting the disease) you then risk passing it on to others, thus exponentially spreading the "evil" around.

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      03.18.10, 05:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • 20% of children have a reaction to the measles vaccine.

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        03.18.10, 07:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • My ds would be counted in that 20%. He had a fever, went away in a day. Much better than getting measles. 20% of the children do not have a severe, life threatening, or permanently debilitating reaction.

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          03.19.10, 02:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I am not asking about a "reaction," I'm asking about the catastrophic types of reactions you cited above. I'll take a fever over freaking measles any day. God, how dense are you people, honestly?

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          03.19.10, 02:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Are you the same twat that KEEPS posting this sh!t about vaccines? Get over it. Just stop. Move on with your life. Seriously.

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      03.18.10, 05:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • This is a rich country's problem. Vaccines work so well that there is a backlash.

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      03.18.10, 05:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Of all the vaccinated people I know, NONE of these symptoms has ever happened to any of them. Of all the people I have ever met this has never been an issue. In fact we were all vaccinated as kids (when they were more dangerous) and we are all fine. If you don't want to vaccinate then blame yourself instead of the life saving vaccines that were invented to keep kids safe. Not vaccinating and making a decision aganist it could result in deadly consequences later on down the road when the diseases come back due to large amount of unvaccinated people (which doctors said is already starting to happen).

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      03.18.10, 05:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I know a set of identical twins that had a reaction to the mmr last month. They had most if not all the symptoms of the measles (runny nose, tons of red marks all over their face and body and fever).

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        03.18.10, 07:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Did they die or are they in a coma? I would rather have a few side effects than the disease itself.

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          03.18.10, 08:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • OKAY!!! SANE mommies, please help, lol. I an taking dd in for her mmr vaccine on monday. she is 1 year. I have been anxiously awaiting getting my db the MMR b/c of the recent outbreak here in NYC. I Want to be able to take her to playgrounds and such with friends (HER friends) and not worry about measles, mumps, or rub. PLEASE give me some encouraging words... how many of you have kids with NO reactions to the vaccine?

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      03.18.10, 05:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • No reactions here,

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        03.18.10, 05:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • No reactions. Please don't let this worry you! This is what the troll wants you to do, is worry and second guess. You took the MMR when you were a kid and you were fine, I took it and I was fine...

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        03.18.10, 06:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • DB got a rash and had a small seizure the night of. Dont.

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        03.18.10, 06:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • anyone else?

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        03.18.10, 06:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • MILLIONS of kids get the MMR and have no reaction - in fact, to have no reaction is the norm.

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        03.18.10, 06:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • no reaction whatsoever. but if she has a fever or anything on the day of, or is recovering from some other minor illness, delay it. i delayed it for a few months while my son recovered from ear infection, a cold, conjunctivitis all within a few months of each other.

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        03.18.10, 07:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • No reaction - MIL, BIL both VERY well-educated pediatricians, have read all the studies, think it is INSANE not to get vaccinated. I agree with the poster above who said that this is a rich country problem. Try explaining this decision in sub-Saharan Africa.

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        03.18.10, 07:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Sometimes my ds would have "reactions" like the fever you are to expect. Sometimes I wonder if the fever was from the vaccine or a virus he picked up in the office. If I got it too, which happened once, I knew it wasn't the vaccine. My ds had all of his shots and never had a severe reaction. Same with me, same with my sister. And MOST people I know. Some kids are allergic to eggs, and have reactions because of that.

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        03.18.10, 07:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • DD had a very low grade fever and was cranky. Those side effects went away and here we are 2 years later and I can thankfully say dd has not contracted measles, mumps or rubella, all which are much worse than a low grade fever and crankiness!

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        03.18.10, 08:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • No reaction at all. Perfectly fine.

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        03.18.10, 08:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I selected a well educated doctor and we have rational discussions. She points me in the direction of some research when I am unsure, but ultimately, I trust her decisions. She is also a mom. My child is fully vaccinated, as am I, and my sister (who had more vaccs than I did...she got chicken pox vacc, I was too old, I just got chicken pox. lol) I am a sick person, my sister is quite healthy. Who knows all the reasons. Chicken pox were pretty awful for me, and I missed a week of school. Thankg god I didn't go to NYC private or I'd have had to repeat the grade! lol

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      03.18.10, 07:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • A friend said "Ask your doctor if she vaccinates her kids. If she would vaccinate her own kids (knowing the side effects and risks of the vaccines) then it should ease your mind." My pedi said "Absolutely she had her kids vaccinated."

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      03.18.10, 08:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ped mom here and you couldnt pay me a million dollars (I mean that!) to NOT vaccinate my kids!!!

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        03.19.10, 04:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Possible risks of taking a bath: Death from falling and striking head. Possible risks from leaving home: Death from being hit by car: Possible risks from eating: Chocking to death. I guess you'll be sitting home with your un-vaccinated stinky kids starving to death.

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      03.18.10, 10:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I am assuming that you never take your DC anywhere in a car, since that it many many many times more dangerous than vaccinating them. If you knew or cared about scientific fact, you would see that the tiny risk of a side effect is outweighed by the huge risk of a vulnerable child.

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      03.19.10, 02:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Don't want to be a sanctimommy, but can't take it anymore: have a good friend who basically spends no time at all with her kids (I would be hard-pressed to think of the last time she was with them alone without her nanny and/or her husband) and doesn't discipline them at all. I cannot stand doing family things with them anymore and it's getting to the point where I don't even feel comfortable with my friend anymore because we are so, so different when it comes to parenting. Any thoughts?

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    03.18.10, 04:00 PM [ Flag ]
    • If you want to have her as a friend then I would just turn as much of a blind eye as you can. And if that is too painful, then it might be time to cool this friendship.

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      03.18.10, 04:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OP: I am having the internal debate. Am I a better friend if I just turn a blind eye and let it go or am I a better friend if I have some kind of come-to-Jesus talk with her?

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        03.18.10, 04:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • you can try - but in my experience this just makes the person angry with you.

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          03.18.10, 04:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Oh my god, why would you even think about having a "talk" with her? Maybe she thinks that you are constantly hovering over your kids and a PITA in your own way? I know so many people who parent so differently than I do but it doesn't make their way wrong. It just means that we don't do a lot of kid stuff together. Seems to work well for me.

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          03.18.10, 04:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • OP: A lot of reasons, but honestly, b/c I do feel bad for her kids and I think there still may be time for her to actually be a parent! BTW, we all have our issues and I'm sure I can be a PITA in my own way, too, but my friend is kind of over-the-top in how little time she spends with her kids and how she just kind of laughes or glosses over or ignores when they are being completely out of control

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            03.18.10, 04:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • OP: Oh, and because other mutual friends have kind of bailed on her. They just have no interest in hanging out with her kids and make excuses to get out of doing stuff. I'm not saying that's bad at all, I'm just wondering if I should do that, too, or address the elephant in the room.

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            03.18.10, 04:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I have to think that if it's that serious of a problem, she'll have noticed. And if she wants to find out what's up, she'll ask. If she hasn't, then she probably doesn't care to know what you all think. Can I ask why you seem to think it's such a big deal that she doesn't do things with her kids "alone"? Is that really a huge issue?

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              03.18.10, 04:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • OP: I think it's an issue when any parent basically doesn't see their children during the week and then complains when they spend time with them for a half an hour by themselves over the weekend. I think a parent who seems unable to be with her children without a nanny or the other parent there is an issue.

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                03.18.10, 04:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I guess you'd have a problem with me, then? I'm a working mother and I'm six months pregnant. I have a really hard time being alone with my toddler lately because she's all.over.the.place and it's hard to chase her and lift her to the change table for diaper changes and wrangle with her stroller. You just don't know her situation. Perhaps a little less judgment? If you're so quick to condemn her maybe this friendship has run its course.

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                  03.18.10, 04:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • OP: I don't have a problem with you. My friend is not pregnant. I have also been preggo and not wanted to spend time with my toddler. I have also not been pregnant and not wanted to spend time with my children--who hasn't? It's just that this has sort of always been the case with my friend. She just seems to have had children and then, since she's had them, pretty much opted out of parenting. I know her well and I've tried to look at and understand her situation, but it doesn't change the fact that she ignores her kids and they are becoming increasingly unpleasent. Perhaps I should agree with you that the friendship is running its course and that makes me a little sad.

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                    03.18.10, 05:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • You definitely know her better than we all do here. Honestly...she sounds kind of depressed, and I do think you are judging her a little harshly. There are a lot of men out there who aren't particularly involved with their kids' lives and while they might get a slap on the wrist from their wives here and there, I don't think they face the same kind of criticism as moms heap upon one another. Sounds like you are taking a real issue with her lifestyle so perhaps you want to just hang out with her one on one.

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                      03.18.10, 05:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • OR: Don't have a come-to-Jesus talk with her. If she doesn't get it, she doesn't get it. If it were me, I'd cut and run.

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          03.18.10, 04:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • that is a horrible idea. friends don't give unsolicited advice about parenting, dieting, or acne

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          03.18.10, 09:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • same thing happened to me - it was really just disgusting after a while and I am not judgmental normally with how people elect to parent but she was really out of control. We are not friends anymore and frankly, it's a lot easier and better that way.

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      03.18.10, 04:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]I'm told my 2yo ds is showing multiple signs of "toilet training readiness". I've no idea how to begin the process. Please give me tips on how to make the training quick and least stressful for all involved. What has worked for you?

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    03.18.10, 07:44 AM [ Flag ]
    • Crazily enough, potty dvds to get the discussion going and then a potty to sit on while watching the dvd!

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      03.18.10, 07:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OP I've never heard of the dvds. Are they basically cartoons? Ds is familiar with the idea. Constantly comments about mommy or daddy going to the bathroom, etc. We just bought a potty, and explained what it's for, but haven't tried to sit him on it.

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        03.18.10, 07:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Some of the potty books have dvds too. Yes they're cartoons, but happy singing ones about pooping.

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          03.18.10, 07:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Lol, thanks I'll check them out. Pooping songs is all I need at home, but I guess whatever works.

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            03.18.10, 08:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • there's an elmo's potty time that is actually not that painful for adults. the music isn't horrific (well, not all of it).

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          03.18.10, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I give ds a sticker for each pee, and he can put it on his crib. He pees 4-5 times a day, rarely wets his diaper. He's been sick though and having diarrhea so we've made 0 progress on poops. We have potty books. I play music for ds while he goes.

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      03.18.10, 07:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • If he really is ready just put him on the toilet or a potty every hour - don't give hima chance to pee in his diaper. Once you realize he is asking to go I highly recommend eliminating pull ups and diapers during the day and going to underwear. My dd went back and forth on wanting to use the toilet and not and the first day she was dry all day and asked ot go a few times I got her into underwear and she had very few accidents. GL.

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      03.18.10, 08:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Thanks. Every hour is tough - what do you do when dc is outside or in activities (gym, music class, etc)? Diapers still?

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        03.18.10, 08:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I didn't use diapers. I carried a fold up potty and we either tried to get to a bathroom or used teh fold up potty. It's annoying but the every hour thing lasted for less than a week

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          03.18.10, 08:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Hijack: Our 2yr old is into the potty as well, so we're going for it, and putting him in underwear at home (daytime, only), and also taking him to the potty regularly. Two questions: (1) he only seems to want to use the small potty, not the real one. Is this a problem? Can we make the switch later? (2) how do we handle outdoors when he doesn't want to use regular toilets? DH insists on putting him in underwear for outside too. Thanks.

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      03.18.10, 08:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We talked constantly about potty training for 2 weeks, bought the "once upon a potty" book and read that for 2 weeks, then I bought both a potty and toilet insert (wasn't sure which one she would like better), and then I took off her diaper! The first day was awful--lots of accidents. I kept putting her on the potty (we never left the house). On day 2 she was about 50-50 and when she had an accident we went to the bathroom to clean her undies together. Day 3 was 80-20--yeah! And by day 4 she pretty much got it. She's now 2 1/2 and we still have a few accidents a week, but she doesn't wear any diapers during the day (only at night and during nap). I celebrated her pee and poop for the first week or so with an M&M and we would dance and hug a...

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      03.18.10, 06:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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