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  • [-]Does anyone else her have a problem with a certain singer LB who sings about spaghetti?

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    11.20.09, 05:16 PM [ Flag ]
    • Cannot stand her. She is such a talentless wannabee, and deeply boring.

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      11.20.09, 05:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Huh???

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      11.20.09, 05:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • When my dd was born, my mother ran out and bought the CD and memorized the songs. I had to sit in the back of my parents minivan as they drove around singing that spaghetti song at the top of their lungs. My dd was 12w at the time and really didn't give a hoot, it really was one of the most annoying experiences I have had in the past few years.

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      11.20.09, 05:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • She just seems so conceited and smug. Cannot bear her. She is like head of pta at our school.

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      11.20.09, 05:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I love her! -a dh

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      11.20.09, 06:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Please tell me who/what you're talking about.

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      11.20.09, 06:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • um, what are we talking about here? a singer we won't name who sings about pasta and is the head of a PTA? only in NY folks

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      11.20.09, 06:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • UB is the ONLY place I have ever heard of this singer. I think someone on here is obsessed with her.

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      11.20.09, 06:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • she is all over nickjr. you probably do know her...

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        11.20.09, 06:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • She used to be on the Nick music fillers between shows alot. (May still be my kids are older.)

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        11.20.09, 06:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ITTTA!! I'm convinced it's either LB herself or her publicist that keeps posting these innane questions. The only problem with that they usually end up in a flamefest of how boring and banal her music is... probably NOT the type of feedback they would like. But I guess in that line of biz, any publicity is good publicity?! FWIW - my kids immediately ask us to turn the channel when Berkner comes on Nick, for which DH and I are all too eager to comply!! Cannot STAND her "music"

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        11.20.09, 08:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I wouldn't mind it so much if she was not such a focal point of all her videos. Cannot bear to see her forced prancing.

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          11.20.09, 08:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Wasn't there some movie/TV show where Emma Thompson played a similarly annoying singer? Can't remember what it was but it was hilarious. I always preferred Raffi myself or heck--how about just regular music?

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      11.20.09, 07:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • A Frasier episode. Emma Thompson played Nanny something, Frasier's ex-wife, whom nobody including Lilith knew about. It was hilarious.

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        11.20.09, 07:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Don't know how I feel about her as a talent or as a person, but DC and I love the Goldfish song - "Wait a minute; we're fish. We can't ride bicycles."

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      11.20.09, 07:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • this is funny. She irritates me but someone on UB is really bothered by her because you post this every other day or so! Wonder if this thread will disappear...

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      11.20.09, 08:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • First experience with her was free concert in C.park where every person with a dc from NJ and every borough and every state in the union east of the mississippi came. My ds hated it, me too. Nails on the blackboard. Screechy, whiny, nasal and banal.

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        11.21.09, 01:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Therapist mom here - had a long day, on a wave, ask me anything.

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    11.18.09, 07:54 PM [ Flag ]
    • Are you bored to death during your sessions?

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      11.18.09, 07:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • sometimes... sometimes just depressed.

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        11.18.09, 07:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • this being an anonymous board: do you ever get interested/emotionally involved in your job? Like you think about a patient's problem on the way home?

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          11.18.09, 08:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Yes. I have two cases like that - I have a couple that used to swing, stopped, now have a baby, also have a man who got married for all the wrogn reasons, have a baby and isn't really in love with his wife, but loves the kid. It's sad.

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            11.18.09, 08:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Thanks. I was always wondering if therapists actually care (sometimes), or they always just secretly look at their watches waiting when we boring wretched souls go away.

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              11.18.09, 08:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • I do care, especially when people seem to be caged, locked in their own bodies, unable to help themselves.

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                11.18.09, 08:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • np: I thought therapists weren't supposed to tell people what to do.

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                  11.18.09, 08:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • we don't tell them, but we do offer advice. Especially if they indicate that they want something and don't know how to go about it

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                    11.18.09, 08:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • What is the purpose of a therapist? (seriously, I'm not being snarky.)

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      11.18.09, 08:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Do you believe in a classical psychoanalysis, or you think it is over?

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      11.18.09, 08:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I think many people these days are so lonely, especially in NYC. So many people get married, have kids, have friends and despite all that are so alone. I think I am a friend for hire sometimes, someone that can listen, and doesn’t judge, gives advice, sheds light on a new perspective, a new outlook. If you can help change someone’s perspective you can have change happen in the physical world.

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        11.18.09, 08:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • What is your take on the fact that meds can change perspective in a very tangible way?

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          11.18.09, 08:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • I’m not a Psychiatrist, I’m a LCSW. I am aware of the fact that some people need meds to be able to literally survive. I refer patients to Psychiatrists if I feel that they need more help. In a perfect world talking, opening up, facing issues would get people to straighten up, deal and get better. But in this world it’s not the case, plus some psychotic people do need meds and these are beyond the scope of my practice.

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            11.18.09, 08:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Do you have times where you question the value of therapy, and your chosen profession altogether? I know several MSW's who feel this way, my sister is one of them.

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      11.18.09, 08:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I do. I don't think it's science. I think of myself as someonw who listens, it's not about analysis.

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        11.18.09, 08:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • How should I deal with my alcoholic borderline personality father? Cut him out completely? Sad he won't have a relationship with dd but maybe it is for the best.

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      11.18.09, 08:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I personally don’t believe in a rigid definition of “family” – sometimes blood can’t overcome hard personalities, sometimes past experiences affect the way we look at parents, siblings, etc. I have many patients that complain, especially around the holiday season, that they have to go to dinners with their family, however they don’t feel close to those people – a lot of anger, hurt bottled in, yet they go to dinner, act, put on a happy face while questioning the whole “production”. Your father may not have been a good father, and he may never be but he can still be an excellent grandfather, loving and caring, drinking problem or not. However, if he is not interested, doesn’t show affection etc, the fact that he is blood ...

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        11.18.09, 08:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Any advice on surviving 6th grade? I feel so helpless when dd reveals what's going on socially.

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      11.18.09, 08:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • If she is being picked on or singled out, boost her up as much as you can. Even if it seems "silly" or like overkill, if you tell her she is beautiful or smart or [fill in the blank] literally every day, when she is an adult she will have better self-esteem than all of her friends. If she is one of the ones doing the ostracizing, do what you can to teach her compassion outside of her social circle. Perhaps volunteer work, but not by forcing her to be nice to kids considered outcasts - that will be too hard on her because of the other girls. Also, encourage her to be friends with boys.

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        11.20.09, 07:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • how many years after therapist and patient stop being therapist and patient is it ok for them to have a romantic relationship?

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      11.18.09, 08:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Do you think there is anything that can be done to change a person with a clear cut narcissistic personality disorder, or I should just run away? Is this condition genetic or acquired?

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      11.18.09, 08:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • How does one go about choosing a good psychologist? What resources would you recommend?

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      11.19.09, 03:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Trailer trash mom here- how can I get a MILF with two kids to stop calling my boyfriend to ask if she can move in/spend the night?

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      11.19.09, 07:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Let me preface this by saying that I have definitely benefited from therapy at different times in my life. I do notice, however, that many people who choose to study/practice some sort of mental therapy are generally the people who seem most screwed up. Do you think the majority of people who choose some type of psycho therapy as a profession are trying to fix themselves?

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      11.20.09, 07:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]help me out -- I had a discussion with someone (who doesn't have dcs) who said she can foresee a time when women would choose voluntary surrogacy (paying someone else to have their db) instead of carrying a db themselves. That it's another change to how technology becomes a part of our lives and how we try to control/preserve our bodies in different ways. I just don't think efficiency would ever outweigh wanting to be pregnant, if you can do it (for most people -- of course, there are exceptions). What do you think?

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    11.20.09, 03:39 PM [ Flag ]
    • I can foresee it, far not the road and for a handful of women, but once it starts the practice could grow. And I say this, even though the thought appalls me.

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      11.20.09, 03:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • see, logically, I understood why she would see it that way. but after having been pregnant, i can't imagine anyone suggesting that efficiency/preserving your body could possibly be considered a parallel choice.

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        11.20.09, 03:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • as someone who had a difficult time getting PG, it was very important for me to feel the pregnancy myself and to go through that experience at least once in my life. Maybe it will become more common for some but it may still remain a natural desire for many.

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      11.20.09, 03:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I do not think it would ever become routine. Yes, a very small group of women would choose this out of need or desire. But most women take pleasure in pregnancy on some level and it is a biological urge similar to sex.

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      11.20.09, 03:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • that's what I feel, too -- there is a sense of pleasure, and almost a primal desire. But she suggested, couldn't the idea of what's pleasurable change? How do we know it's pleasurable before having gone through it?

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        11.20.09, 03:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I truly think it's similar to sex rather than plastic surgery - an innate desire, rather than a superficial/convenient act.

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          11.20.09, 03:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • That's what I was telling her -- that it's hard to understand until you are on the threshold of being able to be pregnant. Why do we want it? Because of what others are telling you? Because of how we've been raised? Because it's primal/innate? I don't know, but it's powerful, and ITA with you -- I can't imagine efficiency/beauty/convenience is what would dominate.

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            11.20.09, 03:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • eros

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        11.20.09, 06:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Well I really hated being pregnant the first time. I am pregnant again now, and it is much easier. I can't see ever paying somebody else to carry my child, but that first pregnancy did give me some insight into why women might choose that option!

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      11.20.09, 03:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I've been pregnant twice and hated both pregnancies. There was no part of it that I enjoyed. I would definitely be one of those women who would pay someone to be my surrogate. Pregnancy is an amazing experience for some and torture to others. I don't think this would be mainstream, but could be a good alternative for some people.

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      11.20.09, 04:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • But would you have done it BEFORE getting pregnant? In other words, you know now that you had a horrible experience (after having gone through it). How would you make the decision before knowing you personally had it bad?

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        11.20.09, 04:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Honestly, I would have gone the surro route even before I got pregnant. Always wanted kids but hated having no control over my body for 12 months (pregnancy + recovery). I would have to know that the surro method would ensure a healthy environment for my baby.

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          11.20.09, 04:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • interesting! And you would feel like you could trust a surrogate to be a healthier environment than your own body?

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            11.20.09, 04:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I always dreamed that there would be a machine that would simulate a womb and I would pay to rent it and come visit to "see" the baby. I know it sounds silly.

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              11.20.09, 04:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np- but you are the anomaly, most women love pregnancy first time. Only the ones with body problems would not want to get pregnant. Second time is a different matter

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            11.20.09, 04:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I wonder if there is a constituency of professional women who would want to do it this way too--less downtime.

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              11.20.09, 04:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • np: I also don't like being pregnant and I've had no complications with both of my pregnancies. I just don't like it and don't even get me started on giving birth. Having said that I can't imagine using a surrogate.

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              11.20.09, 06:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • i'm with you OR. two awful pregnancies. i suppose I would have tried it the first time, but definitely not the second (even though that one was slightly more bearable). if i could do this i may consider a third, but never want to be pregnant again. if the surrogate could be my husband than i'm first to sign up!

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            11.20.09, 06:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I agree and feel the same way about woman who chose c-sections instead of regular birth when their is no medical need for one. Some woman said that they wanted it because they wanted their baby born on a certain day or b/c they didn't want to stretch out 'down there.' There is too much stock in vanity today despite the fact that woman have been having babies naturally since the world began. I don't like woman who seem proud of c-sections b/c of artificial reasons or concerns about themselves. Of course if there is a REAL medical reason than okay but 75% of the people I know that have ever had one had either vanity or a scheduling conflict that resulted in them wanting a c-section.

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      11.20.09, 04:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I disagree that elective c-sections are along the slippery slope to on-demand surrogacy. C-sections, even when elected for what you consider trivial reasons, do not involve using another woman, who often has much less money and many fewer options, to gestate your baby. I hated hated hated being pregnant, but would never choose the emotional complications surrogacy evolves. A scheduled c-section, on the other hand, was absolutely what was best for my baby and me. And stretching out 'down there' had nothing to do with my decision.

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        11.20.09, 06:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: I'm glad to read that other women don't like being pregnant. I always hear such glowing stories of pregnancy. I not a fan, but I kind of felt alone in that opinion.

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          11.20.09, 06:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • how old are you? All my friends and I were 35+ when pregnant; children dearly wanted. Very few -- even the yoga divas-- pretended that pregnancy wasn't ten months of nausea, swelling, and flatulence. I thought uncomfortable pregnancies might be a symptom of 'advanced maternal age', but my mother told me all her pregnancies, starting at age 24, were similar. So maybe my circle of friends are more honest/complaining than many . . . .

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            11.20.09, 06:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I'm 35 and pregnant. Was 30 with 1st pregnancy. I know women my same age and they seem to like it. Honestly I didn't have difficult pregnancies, but still don't seem to like or love it like some people I know. I like knowing I'm going to have a baby and I'm very thankful for my kids. But that glowing wonderful I love every moment of this look that some people have I just can't relate to.

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              11.20.09, 07:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I had two C-sections for medical reasons. The first was after waiting 20 days past due date, being induced, 48 hours of labor then haveing a c-section and giving birth to a 10 lb baby. I'm 5;3" and 110 lbs. Damage was irreversible of carrying such a large child so late. My story is not that uncommon, and I wish could have opted for an elective C-section the week before due date because I knew it would go like that. I'm guessing you had relatively easy births so

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        11.20.09, 06:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Wow -- I'm surprised your OB didn't suggest a c-section, given your size and the baby's size. . .

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          11.20.09, 07:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Actually I did not. My birth was not easy. I did have a small baby but was 3 days late and after 9 hours of labor had only gotten to 2 cm. Not only that but my baby was only 6 pounds and I had a 4th degree tear that required 4 sets of stitches inside and out. I was in pain for days and unable to walk or get in and out of bed by myself. However, I would do it all over again and plan to have the next one vaginally too. Don't you read the responses carefully b/c I stated "of course if there is a REAL medical reason that is okay" I am not taking about people who actually have reasons I am talking specifically about people who do it for vanity or selfish reasons, this does not apply to every person who has ever had one.

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          11.20.09, 08:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think there is a lot of research yet to be done on the impact of the mother (or surrogate) on the fetus' development. I don't think a baby's personality is solely genetics, i think it must be affected to some extent by maternal behaviors as well. Since I am a control freak, I would want the baby in me so I would have full assurance that the baby was in a good environment at all times. But i have thought a LOT about surrogacy...i want 2 kids close in age, and it would be much nicer if i had 10 months to recuperate with my hubby and child, rather than getting immediately preg again. the only other thing stopping me is trying to explain to my MIL why she couldn't come to the hospital...i know...but if she didn't know, and i completely truste...

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  • [-]do interracial couples get divorced?

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    11.19.09, 12:58 PM [ Flag ]
    • no, never.

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      11.19.09, 12:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I'm not even sure that it is legal for them to do so. I know there is a Supreme Court case that held they have a right to get married, but it didn't discuss divorce. Hmm.

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        11.19.09, 01:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I have to research the case law in this... hmmm...

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          11.19.09, 01:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • No need to research. Take my word for it -- it is odd, but true.

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            11.19.09, 01:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • i didn't ask can they, but do they. i don't think so. i think their unions are stronger and thus last forever.

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              11.19.09, 01:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • np: are you serious? you realize that they are human, right? and what about all of the interracial couples that never get married, but have a kid and then break up? what about their unions?

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                11.19.09, 01:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • As half of a deliriously happy married interracial couple, I say: WTF??

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                11.19.09, 01:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • do you know any interracial previously married couples that divorced?

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                  11.19.09, 01:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • np: i do. there goes your theory!

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                    11.19.09, 01:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • np: you realize this is a statistics thing, right? the number of interracial couples you know is probably way smaller than the number of same-race couples you know. so even if they have the same rate of divorce, you will know many fewer divorced interracial couples.

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                    11.19.09, 01:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • I know two couples that divorced, and one of them were interracial. God you'e so weird... and patronizing... and a little racist.

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                    11.19.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • i'm trying to picture who OP is.

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                      11.19.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • racist against whom? how can you say that?

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                      11.19.09, 01:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • np: when you assume something of people, based on their race, it is racist. even when the stereotype is positive, it is racist. they are people, they are not defined by their race. interracial couples are human, with human flaws, just like any other sort of couple!

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                        11.19.09, 01:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • Because it assumes that interracial couples are "special" somehow. Like they're not like any other couple. Just because it's not a negative per se, doesn't mean it's not racist, since you're still making judgements and assumptions based on race.

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                        11.19.09, 01:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • it's not based on race, it's more based on circumstance or situation.

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                          11.19.09, 01:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • The situation based on race, yes.

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                          11.19.09, 01:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • I think OP's question is idiotic but the people responding that it's racist to make assumptions of people based on just their race: how do you feel about affirmative action? Same assumption principles, isn't it?

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                          11.19.09, 08:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • I'm one of the posters (in an interracial marriage) who called the post racist. Yes, I feel that affirmative action is racist, too.

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                          11.20.09, 06:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Thank you. That is awesome that you are so consistent. Few are.

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                          11.20.09, 10:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • And what makes their union stronger?

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                11.19.09, 01:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • i think because of what they will face they consider marriage much more closely and have a stronger bond.

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                  11.19.09, 01:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • "What they will face"??? Come on, DH and I laugh at the minor things that do occasionally happen. Are you in the Deep South or something?

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                    11.19.09, 01:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • I think that's crap. I don't think interracial couples consider marriage more closely or have a stronger bond. My friend's divorce just became final. She was in an interracial marriage. I am too, my marriage is fine.

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                    11.19.09, 07:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Umm - my BIL and former SIL were an interracial couple, and they got divorced.

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              11.19.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Yes, left quite a pickle.

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          11.19.09, 01:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • what about same-sex interracial couples, though? an even bigger conundrum.

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          11.19.09, 01:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I thought there was jurisprudence on them not being allowed to have children?

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          11.20.09, 10:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • what?

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      11.19.09, 01:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Never. Ever. The sex is always so hot.

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      11.19.09, 01:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • according to a judge in louisiana, almost every time

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      11.19.09, 01:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • the responses to this post are hilarious. OP why in the world did you ask such dumb question?

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      11.19.09, 06:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • in all seriousness, the rate of divorce for interracial couples is actually lower than for couples of the same race.

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      11.19.09, 06:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ^^ I'm in an interracial marriage, and I know that for us and for other couples I know, one thing that happens is that when you're dating because you're interrcial you just communicate on a different level and you take your relationship more seriously because you have to deal with some external and internal stuff that others don't necessarily have to deal with.

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        11.19.09, 06:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • many couples who are not in a biracial relationship take those relationships seriously.

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          11.19.09, 06:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Do you seriously believe this? OK, I'm in an interracial marriage for the last 13 years and I can honestly say before we got married we didn't have any conversations about it. We just saw each other for who we are. It wasn't any big discussion with our families either. They both could care less what race we are, as long as we're happy. Now this might how something to do with the fact that both my husband and I had dated people of many different races before we got married so race was no thing to us.

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          11.19.09, 06:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ok well that's your experience but I assure you it's not the experience of most.

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            11.19.09, 06:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • NP: I assure you it is. Another interracial gal here, together 12 years. Never talked about it. We love each other for who we are.

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              11.19.09, 06:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • NP: Yet ANOTHER interracial wife of 7 yrs. Have never had to explicitly talk about it, and our respective families couldn't care less either. This ain't Georgia circa 1954.

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                11.20.09, 12:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • You don't sound like you're in an interracial relationship at all. I think you're just trying to stir the pot. A rare consensus on UB! The only poster who seems to think it makes a difference is you.

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          11.19.09, 06:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • what internal stuff would you have to deal with? A person is a person. Why would you have to communicate on a different level?

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          11.19.09, 06:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • you're nuts

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          11.19.09, 07:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Please, post a link to the evidence.

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          11.20.09, 10:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I knew it!

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        11.20.09, 12:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • What a bizarre question. We are an interracial couple and we fight like nobody's business.

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      11.19.09, 06:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My friend in the product of an interracial couple and her husband is %100 AA. Even though she is not that smart they seem to have a good family life. They do live in east Harlem though and he wants to move to Jersey!

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      11.19.09, 07:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • You win the award for nonsensical answer to nonsensical post.

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        11.19.09, 07:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • It was an inside joke on a public forum. This entire thread is the most ridiculous one that has ever been on here.

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          11.19.09, 07:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • And that's really saying something. Although, I have to say, every time I see mass censensus on UB I assume FAKE.

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            11.20.09, 06:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'll bite. I am not in an inter-racial marriage perse, but in an inter-cultural marriage. I think for those that date and marry outside of their and their family's comfort zones, you have to really love the person to deal with all the surrounding noise. My wife was told that our marriage would never last because we aren't the same religion, and both my mother and grandmother flat out told me I shouldn't marry my wife. We are now in our 6th year of marriage with 2 lovely children

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      11.20.09, 08:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • We are in our mid-30s and many of our friends/family/acquaintances are getting divorced. I guess the point is that a lot of people who marry others from very similar backgrounds may be doing so just to please family or take the easy road. Dating someone of another ethnicity/background/race takes a lot of guts, and marrying them even more so.

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        11.20.09, 08:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]My dd (who is almost 2 1/2) weighs 24 pounds, which isn't bad but puts her in the 10% tile for weight. However, she recently got over the flu and wasn't eating well so she lost a few pounds. The flu is gone but she hasn't gotten her appetite back yet. She has NEVER been a good eater but it seems so much worse, especially with the drop in weight all the sudden. Everyone tells me not to worry but she is so thin that sometimes I get concerned. She is really active and plays all day but doesn't need much to sustain herself. I worry because at 2 I think she should be in the 25% tile in the least. Everybody makes rude comments about how I don't feed her and people saying inappropriate things.

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    11.19.09, 07:24 PM [ Flag ]
    • start giving her pediasure. i gave my son 2 a day and he gained.

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      11.19.09, 07:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Have tried (because the doctor wasn't concerned about her weight but was concerned about her not getting enough nutritional value in her food) but she won't drink it. I tried the chocolate one too and no luck.

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        11.19.09, 07:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • if your ped is worried, do whatever they tell you. if your ped is not worried, do not worry or listen to random UB advice. enjoy her and revel in your lighter load!

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      11.19.09, 07:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I have same problem with my dc. And they will not drink pedia sure either. I spend my time making tasty high calorie meals for her, and she eats one spoonful. People say things to me all the time. I wish I could fatten her up a bit. She does not even like candy or icecream.

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      11.19.09, 07:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Are you and dh thin? Also, when you say you have this expectation that dd should be "at least 25%tile for weight, why is that? The whole point of %tiles is that they represent the normal range for weight. So, 25% of normal kids weigh less than the 25%tile. People suck -- don't let their dumb comments screw with your head or happiness.

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      11.19.09, 07:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 24 pounds! Yikes. My 9 mo is 22 lbs.

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      11.19.09, 08:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • See, you are doing it too. I have to listen to people saying things like this allllll dayyyyyyyy. I teach my older kids to never comment on some else's body. It can hurt feelings.

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        11.19.09, 08:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I hear you. My 7 month old is a tad under 15 lbs. Have to hear constantly 'oh so little. How old ???!!' My bf had a larger baby and she always heard 'so big ... wow !' It's just amazing how people think they can comment on your kids' bodies, to thier moms, in a way that they would never do to an adult

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          11.19.09, 08:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Yeah, I was aware I was doing it. I would be concerned if I were you but then again I work in the area of EDs and we see girls as young as 8 with issues, whose mothers said there were early indicators as children. They are realizing so much is biologically based these days. I agree with the pediasure recs but I'm not sure what you can do if she won't drink it. Good luck to you.

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          11.19.09, 08:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Of course we are concerned, but what can we do? I am seriously considering squirting syringes of double cream into dc's mouth, but then that would definitely give them an ED..no one can make a 2yo eat if they decide they are not hungry.

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            11.19.09, 08:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • hmmm...tell us her favorite foods and maybe we help you think of how to lace them with more calories.

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              11.19.09, 08:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Thanks..... Fish. Cheese sticks, but only mozzarella, and she only likes the skim ones. Chickpeas. Grapes. Vitamins.

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                11.19.09, 08:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Hmm...short list. Does she know they are skim by taste or because she sees that they are. Ie, if she thought it was skim but it wasn't, would she reject it? Can you put sauce/olive oil or will she not eat that?

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                  11.19.09, 08:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • She wants the ones in the organic cow packet. I tried buying another full fat brand and slipped them into the other packet, but she said they tasted yucky. I smother everything in butter.

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                    11.19.09, 08:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • Have you consulted with anyone about her eating habits? It might be worth it since she seems to have such a limited diet and isn't taking in much fat. If those are the only foods she eats, that really is a short list. If I were you, I'd much rather involve someone now when her habits are more easily influenceable. Good luck.

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                      11.19.09, 08:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • sounds like she eats healthy, if she is not fighting you on fruits and vegs just give her lots of small meals thru out the day. Try sliced apples dipped in honey or chocolate milkshakes as treats.

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                  11.19.09, 08:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • some kids are just picky eaters - my son never ate anything but white food (rice, bread, etc) and while it annoys me he is perfectly healthy and never gets sick. Two of my others just don't like chocolate, candy or cookies while their siblings do and there is hardly a pound difference between them.

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              11.19.09, 08:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • If you work in the area of ED's, then why would you deliberately say something like this? A little weird.

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            11.19.09, 08:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Because this seems like a dangerously low weight, which OP said makes her concerned. I agree with her concern and in an effort to support her motivation to address the issue, want to reinforce for her that this is a serious issue, which she obviously already knows. Since I already know she'll have the posters who say "it's no big deal, somebody's gotta be in the 10th percentile"...it might very well be a big deal.

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              11.19.09, 08:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • If you want to reinforce our paranoia, then why do it in such an aggressive and bating way? Why not just show some understanding and concern, instead of Yikes! then pointing out what a perfect weight your dc is. I am glad you are not treating my dc, since you have very unusual and bitchy methods of reinforcement.

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                11.19.09, 08:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • So far I seem to be the only one actually offering any concrete advice and asking follow up questions in order to provide advice. But thanks for the feedback.

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                  11.19.09, 08:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • Just because you feel guilty about saying something mean. What Evah.

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                    11.19.09, 08:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • No because I actually know what I'm talking about, unlike a poster who is saying she eats healthy.

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                      11.19.09, 08:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • Look, sorry to labor this point, but why on earth would you say Yikes, my 9mo db is 22lbs, as a way to answer a post which is saying how hurtful those sorts of comments are. Maybe you do know what you are talking about, but my point is that you have a pretty awkward, thoughtless and obnoxious bedside manner. I hope you are not this way at your ED day job.

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                        11.19.09, 08:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Already asked and answered. You really want me to respond to your name calling don't you? Please stop. Please.

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                          11.19.09, 08:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Is it so hard to just say sorry for being insensitive? I guess so.

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                          11.19.09, 09:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • You called me a bitch, thoughtless, and obnoxious and I'm the insensitive one! Ha. That's a good one. BTW, Dog meet bone. Let it go.

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                          11.19.09, 09:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Please, people naturally comment on anything unusual. People are always telling me that i'm so skinny or that my 6'5 brother is so tall. Obviously it's not meant in a mean-spirited way so you shouldn't take it as such. When i was younger, my mom would never get offended about people saying i was so skinny, she used to just laugh it off saying "i don't know where the food goes" or "it's from my husband's side." If she had acted upset, I would've internalized that there was something wrong with me. As long as your daughter is healthy, it doesn't matter if she is small or that people comment on it.

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          11.19.09, 08:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Exactly. I always get comments on how big my kid is, I'm not going to starve him. Who has body image issues, here, really?

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            11.20.09, 07:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Oh do not listen to that poster! what is this a stupid competition to see who is fatter?

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          11.20.09, 05:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Are you serious? Commenting on a baby's weight is a body image issue concern for you?

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          11.20.09, 07:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Yes! Not that the baby is going to hear and be upset of course, but *any* comment can sound like a judgment, esp since the mother is undoubtedly well aware of her baby's size whether small or large.

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            11.20.09, 08:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I have a large baby, couldn't care less. They are babies, I am fully aware I'm not setting myself up for an obese child based on how my baby is at 6 months.

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              11.20.09, 09:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Good for you, but not everyone feels the same. And the fact is, when do you then stop commenting on a child's size? You can say a baby is big but how about a three year old? A six year old?

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                11.20.09, 07:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • ITA. It goes the other way too--my 11 yr old dd is very tall (as am I) and she gets comments all the time about how tall she is--from parents more than kids. Even things like 'wow, you are really tall--I saw you in the Christmas concert and you were towering over the girl next to you!) Not much sensitivity. So I sympathize with you... if your dr is not concerned, then I wouldn't worry... is she a picky eater or just eats small amounts?

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          11.20.09, 08:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • My DS was 21.5 pounds at six months.

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        11.20.09, 07:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Are you by any chance asian? My 1/2 Chinese dd was never above the 5% tile but my ped said not to worry bec the charts are based on American caucasians. She is a teenager now and completely fit and tho trim not overly thin.

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      11.19.09, 08:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OR One of my other kids was like this, and now is not the tallest, but not the smallest in her class in hs. Not asian.

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        11.19.09, 08:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Funny. I had always heard that the charts were skewed the other way - that they took a good cross-section of American into consideration and so Caucasian children might typically seem really big on the growth charts. However, I also have read that they are based on formula-fed babies who tend to gain weight more rapidly in the first six months of life or so and that also can be misleading about what is "average".

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        11.19.09, 08:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I think it is also that they were set in the 1950s and have not been updated on what is considered healthy variations.

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          11.19.09, 08:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • yes, I have heard that too. Regardless, they do not seem like something you should put too much stock in. I would worry that my DD is getting enough nutrients and appears healthy and forget about the growth chart as much as poss.

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            11.19.09, 08:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • lol. so funny, I heard the opposite which is that because charts are based on formula fed babies, makes EBF babies appear large or off the charts because formula fed babies are usually smaller at the beginning. Who knows.

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          11.19.09, 08:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • That's funny. DS is half-Chinese and he has always been in the 90% for weight.

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        11.20.09, 07:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • OP here: Sorry I was putting dd to bed, didn't realize how fast I would get responses. I try not to worry as my family is very thin, my mom didn't weight over 100 pounds until she hit 40 and my 6'5" brother only weighs around 150 pounds. My dd is in the 90% tile for height at 3 feet tall also, which makes her look even thinner. All she ate today was 1 egg, a nutri-grain bar, half a pb&j sandwich, a few chicken nuggets and that's it. I try to give her fattening snacks that are not to filling but she is so busy playing, she never eats much. I also worry b/c there is an obesity factor on my dh's side so I don't necessarily want to get her addicted to fattening foods, it's like walking a tightrope. She sleeps fine, 12 hours a night, and had mor...

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      11.19.09, 08:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ^^ has more energy than most boys so I try to tell myself that as long as she's active, maybe she's just thin. She does take vitamins everyday to help.

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        11.19.09, 08:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Actually, for a 2.5 yo, that sounds like a pretty good day of food (I think most are pretty darn light eaters - mine was anyway). Just missing the milk. Does she drink her milk?

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        11.19.09, 08:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • ^^you are still giving her whole milk, right?

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          11.19.09, 09:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Np, I can't. She was having problems with milk and constantly getting sick so the doctor said no milk for a few months to see if it helped. When I tried to reintroduce it, she wanted nothing to do with it at all.

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            11.20.09, 09:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Don't worry about dd, OP. Sounds like what my 2.7 year old eats on any given day. DD also looks very skinny/loses weight when sick--pedi said this is normal & just more noticeable with kids who don't have a lot of extra padding. She weighs 28 lbs now, but 5 of those pounds came on in the last 7 months! She's always been a VERY picky eater (she never had that chubby infant stage where they eat everything!) and if you can believe it, she only weighs 8 lbs more than her 7-mo-old sister... just goes to show, all kids are different. Some pointers for fattening up the food: 1) add a bit of heavy cream to scrambled eggs 2)peanut/almond/sunflower butter 3) if she eats yogurt, only do the greek, full-fat yogurt--add whatever needed to make it palata...

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        11.20.09, 07:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • full fat regular yogurt is fine -you don't have to buy expensive greek stuff. Stonyfield french vanilla full fat is delicious

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          11.20.09, 07:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • ah my dd was 25 pounds at 3. She's healthy and growing but petite and just like I was Ped not concerned at all.

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      11.20.09, 04:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My niece is also underweight. Her ped told her mom to give her Carnation instant breakfast and to put butter on everything.

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      11.20.09, 05:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I have a thin 5 yo. Nothing wrong w him; healthy appetite and very active, but he comes from families on both sides who are skinny.

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      11.20.09, 05:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Sounds like she eats a normal amount as long as she is also getting her milk / cheese / yogurt. Also, veggies. My picky eater loves his veggies when I keep them simple with a little browned butter on them. Steamed broccoli or green beans... sometimes asparagus or artichokes. I also saute zucchini in olive oil and he gobbles them up.

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      11.20.09, 08:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My Ds didn't hit 30 lbs until he was 3.6. He was always too busy playing and exploring the world to stop to eat. Despite being in the 10-15th percentile for weight, he's high energy and smart. That is to say that his physical and mental development was not hindered and really that's all that matters. It's hard not to worry, but they will eat when they are hungry.

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      11.20.09, 08:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My dd is 26 pounds at 3. I've never worried because I'm really small-boned and naturally low-weight too, though I eat a lot, so I figure she just got my genes. I think it's great that she gets to wear her clothes for a long time (still in some 24 month clothes), and hopefully she won't have to struggle with weight issues when she's older too. She was a fat baby, and I'm sad to say good-bye to those cute chubby thighs, though!

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      11.20.09, 10:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I agree with the poster who said to listen to your doctor. My little daughter wasn't 20 pounds until she was 2 and a half (we waited FOREVER to turn the car seat around). Likely your dd is just little and recovering from a bad flu. signed, mom whose dd would eat a handful of cheerios and that is it for a meal when she was little!

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        11.20.09, 04:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Nice to see there are so many other parents out there with my problem. DS is 2yrs and I've been stressing non-stop about his weight @ 22lbs. He is half asain (filipino) and have wondered if that has anything to do with it. He's a terrible eater and can do days eating only strawberries. Tonight I was happy he was actually eating - then he got sick everywhere!

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      11.20.09, 06:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • my ds was the same at 2 yrs. i tried avocado, hummus, smoothies, pediasure and served everything with butter & cream... but he had no patience for sitting down and eating and would only last about 5 minutes. i had to get up and run after him with the food as he wandered around and did other htings. i worried about giving him bad habits, but the important thing was that he put on weight. he's 4 now and sits and the table w/o any prob.

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      11.20.09, 06:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • It is worse to be on the opposite side of this problem; I know kids who are overweight at even age 4 and the ped dr says to not drink so much milk etc.. even more difficult to hold back food your dc might want.

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      11.20.09, 06:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • dd is 24 lbs now at 17 months and i feel like she never eats, was worried she is small. less that 25th percentile.

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      11.20.09, 06:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np: there is nothing wrong with 25th percentile. my ds weighed a little over 24 lbs at 18months and is perfectly healthy. meanwhile, i recently stopped stressing about his eating and he is eating so much more and it seems like he is gaining weight before my eyes. unless she has been dropping in percentile a lot, don't worry.

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  • [-]bookmom/playing librarian here. Anyone need any book recs? Tell what you enjoy reading and we'll give new suggestion. Or for your kids (give gender,age,fave books).

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    11.12.09, 07:38 PM [ Flag ]
    • did you come from ybm? or were you always on both?

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      11.12.09, 07:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • girl, 5, ready to be read good chapter books - but probl too young for Secret Garden, etc? Other than Ramona the Pest, what is there?

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      11.12.09, 07:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Try Mrs Piggle Wiggle, The BFG by Dahl, Mr. Popper's Penguins. And have you read her My Father's Dragon series yet? If you both have stamina, try The Last of the Really Great Whangdoodles, too.

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        11.12.09, 07:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • ^^^and don't forget Little House in the Big Woods

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          11.12.09, 08:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I think age 6 *first grage* is great for reading A Little Princess. It might be a bit "wordy" for five year old. The vocabulary is very rich (as in many older children's books) and it can be fun to make a game of listening for and writing down new words.

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          11.13.09, 07:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np--Rumer Godden has small chapter books that are well-written. My dd loved Mouse House and The Story of Holly and Ivy. The latter is a Christmas story. There are also the Jenny and the Cat Club books by Esther Averill. Also, don't leave picture books behind at this age. There are wonderful books (William Steig's Brave Irene; Helga's Dowry by Tomie De Paola, and Elsie Piddock Skips in her Sleep by Eleanor Farjeon have great heroines, for example.)

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        11.13.09, 03:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 6yo boy, interested in the darker side of life but hasn't been exposed to much mainstream media, trying to find gentle ways to introduce him to scarier things, not even close to ready for HP

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      11.12.09, 07:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 9 yo boy likes Tolkein and LeGuin. Trying Bradbury and Asimov. Others?

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      11.12.09, 07:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 2.3 yo girl, totally digs Bartholemew (sp?) and the Oobleck, Where the Sidewalk Ends, The Missing Piece Meets the Big O, Yertle the Turtle. We've also done Blueberries for Sal so many times she's bored.

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      11.12.09, 08:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • op: lots of classics! Try The Rain Came Down, The Dragon Machine, Bats at the Beach (and Bats at the Library), The Reluctant Dragon,The Gardner, Miss Bindergarten Gets Ready for Kindergarten by Slater(fun rhymes and letter sounds and great before starting pre-school) and of course, Caps for Sale

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        11.12.09, 08:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np--Miss Rumphius by Barbara Cooney is a lovely book for this age and slightly older.

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        11.13.09, 03:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Thanks for the recommendations!

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      11.12.09, 08:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Nonfiction reader here needing a rec.

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      11.12.09, 08:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • op: I read something a little different this week: Close to Shore about the Shark attack on the Jersey Shore in 1916. Interspersed with soooo much information about the Edwardian era in American as well as contemporary understanding of sharks and their habits

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        11.12.09, 08:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 6 yo liked Harry Potter (1&2), Chronicles of Narnia, Little House series, Wrinkle in Time. Did not love Pippi Longstocking. Is interested in Ella Enchanted, Little Princess, loves Bow to the Moon and Trumpet of the Swan. What else? TIA!

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      11.12.09, 08:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • The Ordinary Princess by MM Kaye, All of a Kind Family by Sidney Taylor, Betsy Tacy By Lovelace, Igraine the Brave and if you have good stamina for a much longer book Dragon Rider (both by Funke)

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        11.12.09, 08:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • ^op: and Sisters Grimm would be fun to read, as well

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          11.13.09, 04:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Thank you!! I heard about Percy and Olympian? Is that a good book? Dc reads independently but likes longer books now and is into fantasy. Or about animals in fiction.

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          11.13.09, 11:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • OP This book works much better for an older kid as it deal with middle school issues. I bet she would love Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH, but again. pretty long and complicated Other fun fantasy that is still age appropriate: Indian in the Cupboard, Tales of Deperaux, Eddie Eager's books (starting with Half Magic). I'll re-emphasize Sisters Grimm Series. And consider Gregor the Overlander.

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            11.13.09, 11:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • ^^she might also like the Warrior series. Some kids go crazy over them! (cats) And look into Lloyd Alexander's series: the Chroncicles of Prydain

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              11.13.09, 12:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Thank you soooo much!!! It's hard to find books that are interesting enough but age appropriate. Will look into it!!

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              11.13.09, 01:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • op: other animal books inlcude those by Estes like Ginger Pye. She also wrote The Witch Family. Look into The Worst Witch series an also Bedknob and Broomsick

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            11.13.09, 12:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • are you still around bookmom

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      11.16.09, 01:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Loved Water for Elephants, Sara Gruen. Would love some fiction recs!

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      11.16.09, 02:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OP: a few ideas for you. If you were intrigued by "circus" life, Geek Love is a classic, but a bit freaky about a family where the parents intentionally create children to be in the Freak show. If you prefer historical fiction , try Loving Frank....about Frank Lloyd Wright and his Mistress, from her perspective. For an interesting outlier..a bit Dickensian, but much easier to read, try The Good Thief by Hannah Tinti

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        11.16.09, 02:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Rec. for me. I love Phillip Roth - especially Everyman, American Pastoral. Would like something along those lines...

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      11.18.09, 07:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • op: I love Roth also. My personal fave is THe Plot Against America (not typical Roth, I know), followed closely by American Pastoral. Have you read any Richard Russo? I rec. Bridge of Sighs. Great family saga. YOu might also consider The Story of Edgart Sawtelle. I was surprised at how much I enjoyed this books (desite being an Oprah pick). Updike is a natural choice for you as well. If you haven't read his Witches of Eastwick, do so. Nothing like the silly movie it inspired.

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        11.19.09, 08:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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